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Using a new roller 302 where an older 302 once was?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bull, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. Bull
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    Anyone have a picture of the air injection holes in the heads that need to be plugged? I just want to be sure I get plugs in the right places.

    Also, anyone got an idea of what to use to plug the dipstick hole in the block? I'll be using the dipstick in the early timing cover as I have an early Bronco oil pan.
     
  2. tjm73
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    Wooden dowel for the oil hole.

    The holes on the heads takes, I think, 3/8" plugs. Maybe someone will confirm that for us.
     
  3. Bull
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    Still looking for verification on which holes exactly need to be plugged. Thanks!
     
  4. Bull
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    Anyone?
     
  5. k-member
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    Look......
     

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    Hope that helps. I used allen head plugs from the local Ma & Pa hardware store, about 33 cents.
     
  7. Bull
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    Perfect. Thank you sir! Are there any ports that need to be plugged on the front side of the head as well? There are holes in the same spots up front that go deep into the head as well. I was going to plug those for good measure too.
     
  8. k-member
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    Look closely, and you will see that they are the same, but with threads inside for bolting on the other stuff like alt, power steering pump ect..I think mine had a slot for a big screw driver. Should'nt need pluged unless they leak.
     
  9. Bull
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    Thanks for the tip again, K-member. The rear holes seem to only go a short way into the head (using a screwdriver as a probe), while the front holes swallow up nearly the whole screwdriver. Is this the way it should be? I'll plug them all to be safe (except for the one that will be used for the alt bolt anyway). Since I didn't assemble the engine myself, I am relying on the knowledge of the guy who installed it that the heads are on right. Hell, is it even possible to install the heads incorrectly (wrong side, etc??)??

    And for the record, I should have taken your advice in the first place about the new distributor and Ford or MSD box. Using my old distributor I've got $190 invested -- $46 for a Ford Racing billet steel gear, $69 to have the old gear pressed off, the new gear pressed on and drilled and new roll pin installed, and $75 for a Pertronix conversion kit. Yep, you live, you learn.
     
  10. tjm73
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    No. They are not side specific on a 302.
     
  11. k-member
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    Heads can go on either side. Here's the type of inserts for the front of the heads you need, Ford should or may have them.
     

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  12. desertdroog
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    Heads can be switched, but be mindful of how you put on your gaskets. You should see a bit of the gasket material from the front corner on both sides if you have it on correctly. If they are flush at the front they are on backwards.
     
  13. There,s a wind to the east so lean to the west.He crouches when he shoots so stand on your toes?
     
  14. Malcolm
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    WTF? What are you smoking??
     
  15. tjm73
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    x2 :rolleyes:
     
  16. k-member
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    x3!
     
  17. Its from a Bob Hope film.He was going for a duel at High Noon.He got so much advice on the way,he couldn't make head nor tail of none of it????
     
  18. Bull
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    Naw . . . the advice has been awesome. VERY much appreciated. Almost ready to plunk her in and fire this bitch up.

    Now we're just haveing a hell of a time getting the toque converter to seat all the way in the tranny. It seems like its all the way in, but when I try to bolt the bellhousing to the engine there's still a 1/2 inch gap. Is there some trick to getting the converter to seat all the way in?
     
  19. k-member
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    Keep pushing and spinning until you get 3 clicks in, can be a bugger sometimes, but it will go. Sometime you have to lift up on the bottom of the converter and wigle like hell and keep pushing and spinning to get it all the way in.
     
  20. Bull
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    Turns out that the shaft was slightly crooked in there. Popped the shaft out and put it back in straight and the converter went right on.

    Got the motor and tranny dropped back in last night. Should be able to finish buttoning up everything tonight and fire it late tonight or tomorrow after work. Can't wait! Nervous too though.
     
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  22. captainjunk#2
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    the older 302 was a 28.5 ounce balancer an flexplate later ones are 50 oz dont mix them it will shake out your liver , there is no fuel pump concentric or mount boss on the later ones you can swap front covers an run v belts if you want new 302 is rear sump if you need a front sump swap oil pump pick up an pan newer engine has dip stick in the block older is in the front cover , newer 302 also uses a 351 windsor firing order , not older 302 firing order , i swapped a 68 302 to a 96 crate 302 , in a mustang , also make sure your distributor drive gear is compatible with the roller cam , some are not an end up in the oil pan ,
     
  23. rustyford40
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    I put a 93 ho in my 40 three years ago. Running a carb. I cut and pluged the breather pipe in the back of the engine. got all screwed up with the timing. It was all worth doing.
     
  24. captainjunk#2
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    p/s also there isnt a place for a clutch ball / pivot but someone cant remember who damnit was offering a bolt on clutch ball for older swaps i went with a mustang retrofit hydraulic clutch kit check mustangs unlimited of Ct they have ford parts that will help with swap thats where i bought my engine ,
     
  25. Flat Ernie
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    No, cover doesn't really matter - pump does, obviously.

    Some early engines did have an aluminum pump, but probably by '66 were all cast iron. Certainly by '85 most were aluminum, but I just got a rebuild for a late-model and it was cast iron...go figure.

    Been ages since I ripped open an HO (or any late-model for that matter) - simply can't remember. I know there were one piece eccentrics & two-piece eccentrics though....

    I'm not sure on this either - I've seen 'em in early & late engines - and not seen 'em in the same. Random installation, maybe? :D
     

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