Diesel applications for hot rods

International is in the prosses of changeing all there engines to the name maxforce, this is the latest version of the vt 275 now called the maxforce 5.
MaxxForce™ Diesel Engines for Class 4–5 Trucks




MaxxForce™ 5

For owners, drivers and maintainers, the MaxxForce™ 5 delivers big performance in a small package. Built on International’s V-6 engine platform, the MaxxForce 5 features four valves per cylinder, the International Electro-Hydraulic G2 fuel injection system, an upgraded intake throttle, two-stage turbocharger, cooled EGR and enhanced electronics to deliver outstanding reliability, fuel economy and emissions control. Top mounted fuel and oil filters provide easy access for increased uptime and reduced operating costs. Fully compliant with 2007 EPA emissions standards, it will power Class 4 and Class 5 commercial trucks with 200 horsepower and 440 ft. lbs of torque.
Specifications

• Configuration: V6
• Displacement: 4.5L (275 cu in)
• Injection System: Electro-Hydraulic G2
• Power Output: 200 hp (149 kW) @ 2,700rpm
• Peak Torque: 440 lb. ft.(596 N m) @ 1,800rpm
• Aspiration: Turbocharged
• Combustion System: Direct Injection
• Injection Pressure: 1,600 bar
• B10/B50 Life: 250,000/408,500 miles

 

My brother has a 55 olds and he is thinking of a diesel install just to be different. They are very heavy but there might be an alternative . Back when I was in highschool my parents had an early 80's Monte carlo with a V6 diesel in it.It had power up the ass.We could easily smoke the tires off of it and believe me we tried. It seemed to have twice the torque and accleration of those GM gas to diesel converted V-8 engines. And no matter how hard we drove it, the damn thing always got better than 43 mpg.Then all of sudden you never heard of them.It was like GM just stopped making them.So I always wondered if they would work in a streetrodded truck or something. Being a V6 the weight would be much less and I'm telling you the accleration was there. The cars exhaust sounded pretty cool too.Always wondered how it would sound with some nice exhaust stacks.

 

Yep diesel motors are bulky and heavy, but for torque they are great! There are several 9 second street legal trucks around the country, one guy lives near me and DRIVES IT ON THE STREET. My 98 Dodge with a Cummins in it with mild mods will fry the tires no problem, and it tugs the car trailer real good. If I had more money and time , neat project- cab over from the 40s or 50s with a oil burner.
John

 

That is a sweet looking engine! I think it would be awesome in a lighter than stock hot rod.

 

i have a nice nissan diesel 6 banger with a torqueflite with overdive on it,no turbo.
it would make a nice small truck engine,its about the size of a 250 chevy six.
Randy

 

Your right i don't know shit, but i do know about diesels, I've grown up around diesels and rods, my dad was a diesel mechanic for 15 years and he's owned his own repair shop for 25, i have the tools and the know how to install a modern diesel into a not so modern rod. And no i don't think because i can name off some engine models that i know all about diesels but i do know alot about them. And actually you don't need a dealer code to change ECM parameters. You can actually eliminate the whole factory ECM all together and get a stand alone version that will also accept performance programers like a super chips controller. I am not the resident expert on anything here, but i am glad you realized you are the dip shit .

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I thought the pissing contest was over last night.
We're lucky the mods haven't shut this down already.
Let's not push it huh?

 

if its burgandy amd he's kinda goofy looking, i work with him.

 

Someone sent me a link to the video of this thing. Shows the impala taking out a lamborghini in the 1/4 mile. So much for "not fast". Supposedly also gets 19 MPG.

 

It's over now. no more pushin' it.

 

I second this request.....

 

Now that this thread has returned to gentlemanly status, lets get informative. As I posted earlier, I'm installing a 7.3L Powerstroke in my F1. The biggest hurdle will be the electrical wiring with the ECM and the rest of the truck. That's why I bought a Ford 2000 Excursion wiring manual. It will be complicated but not impossible. And my truck will be used as a truck, for towing, hauling, etc. Ron Francis Wiring will be the source of the base electrical wiring harness and I'll add the engine sensor wiring/ECM on top of that. Nothing the inventive hot rodder can't figure out.

All of the up front stuff will fit in the F1 engine compartment, the radiator, the turbo intercooler, the AC condenser, etc. And I'll find a place for the 4R100 trans cooler, too.

It can be done. You just have to THINK it through and plan you build. But all of us do that ahead of time don't we?

 

Dorksrock, i don't know where you got 570LBs for a Cummins 4bt try 705lbs dry minus flywheel and elec componets thats for a 4BT3.9 (turbo)the 4BTA3.9 (intercooled)is 725lbs and the non turboed 4B3.9 is 679lbs, this info is straight from a factory Cummins operation and maintence manual. Not all the bread vans are set up to run a GM trans it depends on which chassis (ford or GM) it was in, the GM uses a smallblock chevy bolt pattern, and most of the fords use a SAE bolt pattern. The most common 4BTs in the bread vans are the CPL858 105HP non intercooled engines the 120HP intercooled engines are less common.

 

My wife has an '02 VW Golf TDI, pretty spunky and 48mpg! There's a guy who sells biodiesel and has tuned his TDI pretty well, I've seen it run low 14s at the local drags. I also have an '84 Mercedes 300sd with the OM617 motor. The Mercedes engines aren't the peppiest, but most of that has to do with the car's weight and 2.43 rear end ratio. My Mercedes has well over 300,000 miles on it and hardly has any timing chain stretch! These motors will not die or let you down.

 

Do you happen to know the transmission ratios too for your 300sd?

I wonder how much more pep 3.50's or 3.73's would give you......

 

tjm73,

I'm not sure of the trans ratios. Check out the diesel forum on mercedeshop.com, there's a wealth of info for these cars there. From what I've heard is that a lot of the old mercedes transmissions would start in 2nd gear in order to eliminate wheelspin under icy German conditions. I'm not 100% positive on that though. This motor would move a lightweight rod just fine, especially if you adapted a more modern turbo with variable vane technololgy to reduce the turbo lag.

 

Also check out this German MB diesel website for hot rodded MB diesels:

www.rodionenkin.de

 

I'll look into those, if for nothing else, to garner a little more knowledge on the subject.

Thanks.

 

The older 6.9L International diesel in my '84 Ford F-Series is also all mechanical injection. Only electronics are for the glow plug timer. Gale Banks has a turbo kit, and it bolts to a big block C6 trans. Hook up a later overdrive trans, turbo it, and the performance would be super. A '37 Ford DRW with this set up would be just the thing.

 

Holy Crap!! I can't read German, but I know what kompressor means.....

 

get on pirate4x4.com and you should be able to find the adapter pretty easily.

 

Thought I'd bump this and attach a few pics. This guy was at the Flying Eyeball Reunion last weekend at Davenport, and I though it was a rather clean install. He claims it'll crank up to 75 mph in short order.
It's a Kubota out of a power troweling rig, supposed to have just 50 hours on it when he got it due to a bad injector pump. The engine and radiator are the Kubota gear, and he adapted the whole assembly to the A chassis. Fabricated his own bell housing/adapter and hung a T-5 behind, with 4:11 gears in the third member.

Just thought you guys might like to see it.
One pic, three links to engine pics.

Roger

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there is a guy here in the bay area that has an international(?) pickup, has a detroit diesel 4 cyl, 2 stroke in it. sounds fucking awesome.

 

I appreciate all the great replies to this thread and I want to see MORE.

BUT, I think that this post might be diverging from where I'd hoped it would go though.

The idea wouldn't be to simply retrofit a diesel into an existing rod, or to treat this like an number of other engine swaps...

It would be to embrace what diesels are all about and build a complete package...

I could see an old truck with stacks and a small diesel in it... Orrrr...

A big heavy custom, built for long, high-speed, straight high-way runs...

Or???

I think a diesel could be cool, but it definately wouldn't be appropriate for all hot rods or Kustoms... The 'Right' combo would be pretty rare...

 

Starbirds Cecil the Diesel, think it is Benz powered.

 

Now that's different.
I'm thinking 1940's-50's 500 series Mercedes with later model MB running gear.
I'd really like to build a Diesel hot rod for VIN.......

 

The problem with these is that they are FWD only as far as I know. For a RWD application you would have to go with a LUV (Isuzu) deisel or a Nissan. There may be others but they would be the lightest, I think.

 

Front drive isn't a big deal if you can get the coolent to the radiator without much trouble and attach a tranny to it that is for a rear drive setup. The TDI VW is being swapped into Suzuki Samuri's. They are rear wheel drive.

A VW to T5 adapter would make this engine a very viable option.

 

Looks like Benz power to me.

 

not sure what you're trying to get at here, I thought there were some pretty good replies and examples, no?

I've owned a number of light duty (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel trucks over the last few years, along with operating/maintaining them for my dad and friends...I absolutely love the idea of turbo-diesels, especially the common rail injection, which is much quieter and smoother running than the mechanical, along with typically being easier to turn up.

generally, the mechanical injection diesels offer unheard-of reliability and mileage.

I'm excited to finally see some smaller V8 and V6 diesels, both from Cummins and Duramax for the SUV and 1/2 ton trucks, it's about damn time. there's just been a big gap in the diesels between, say the VW's/benz's and the big work trucks. I'm a big fan of being able to have a ton of power AND get good mileage, reliability and completely docile driveability...turbodiesels are the only platform I've seen that you can truly excel in all of the said areas.