Maybe I just don't get out often enough, but the other day I read about toilet paper oil filters for the first time. I guess they were used mainly in the 40s, 50s and 60s on tractors, trucks and some cars. You take a roll of ***wipe, shove it in a canister that bolts onto a remote oil feed. Every 2000 miles or so you throw away the toilet paper, put in a new roll and put another quart of oil in the engine. I think I'll stick with the spin-on filters, but anybody ever use one?
I knew a guy who used them exclusively on a Corvair powered motorhome (Ultra Van), last I heard, the un-rebuilt engine was still going at 600K miles. But then again, the guy put 600K miles in a Corvair powered motorhome, he may not have both oars in the water...
FRANZ Filter, still in business. I have one oredered and on the way for the ***mins Turbo Diesel Tow Rig. Cost about 120-160
[ QUOTE ] I knew a guy who used them exclusively on a Corvair powered motorhome (Ultra Van), last I heard, the un-rebuilt engine was still going at 600K miles. But then again, the guy put 600K miles in a Corvair powered motorhome, he may not have both oars in the water... [/ QUOTE ] ^There is something fundamentally twisted about that whole situation. LOL But I remember my Dad and Grandpa using them on an old tractor when I was a wee lad. Big Daddy Eric
I spoke to a old fella once who used them. He said it was just a tin can, a bit bigger than the roll of paper, with a center tube with holes... I think covered with wire mesh. He used the rough cheap paper, because it held up to the heat better. He said it was the poor man's oil filter, but it worked really well.
http://home.earthlink.net/~goodspeeds/Frantz3.htm Looks like they still make em... Named Frantz filters... and sold under the company name "We filter it!"
My friend runs one on his Dodge ram pick up. Its as an auxilury to the main filter. The elements do look like a toilet roll, but they are actually a special one for the installation. Seems to work quite well. Will see if I can find out more from him. Dave
My error: correct spelling is FRANTZ Here is a good write up with pictures: http://turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=c393579446b199814dba1c4caf145476&threadid=98863
That motorhome is kind of neat. With that continetal kit looking thing on the front I would be way too tempted to paint it up so it looked like a giant pig, though.
Damm,you learn something every day! I wonder what it does to the oil pressure? I use TP filter in air compressor on the paint line. It does a super job! JR...
It looks like it doesnt to anything to oil preasure... your just running a little oil up to the top... Pretty cool! Edit: By T'ing off of a high preasure location...
I have a half dozen Stilko brand filters for different applications. They spin on where a modern filter does, but hold a roll of TP inside. Have a neat finned aluminum housing with a cheap polish on it from the factory. I've never had one installed on a car yet though, so can't give performance data. alchemy
A guy I worked with years ago (1977) brought his car to me for a rebuild. It was a 63 Dodge Dart slant six with 160K on it. He had a Frantz filter on put the car when he bought it new. I was a little sceptical especially when he told me "yeah, this oil filter is great, you never have to change the filter, just put the toilet paper in one time and you're good for life". I had my doubts, after all this guy was a geek computer programmer who was lucky to be able to pump his own gas! So I tear this motor down and when I pull the oil pan I notice that the bottom inside of the pan has an indentation for the oil pickup. What the hell is this? I can't see any indication from the outside of the pan that there has been a stamping for the oil pickup, yet clear as day here is this 1 inch deep well on the inside of the pan right where the pickup sits. To make an already long story short, the indentation was NOT made by the factory, it was 15 years of sludge buildup in the oil! I took the Frantz unit apart and it had been sludged up for at least 10 years! I was right, the geek didn't know **** about this filter system. Moral to the story, understand the technology before you go off and install it on your car. Yeah you can use a Frantz but if you talk to the distributors they will advise against toilet paper...some of it may be that they want you to buy their product but some of it is based on the fact that toilet paper will clog up quickly. Have you ever noticed how much one brand of TP varies to the next? How the hell do you know which one works best in a Frantz? I'll stick with FRAM....
[ QUOTE ] A guy I worked with years ago (1977) brought his car to me for a rebuild. It was a 63 Dodge Dart slant six with 160K on it. He had a Frantz filter on put the car when he bought it new. I was a little sceptical especially when he told me "yeah, this oil filter is great, you never have to change the filter, just put the toilet paper in one time and you're good for life". I had my doubts, after all this guy was a geek computer programmer who was lucky to be able to pump his own gas! So I tear this motor down and when I pull the oil pan I notice that the bottom inside of the pan has an indentation for the oil pickup. What the hell is this? I can't see any indication from the outside of the pan that there has been a stamping for the oil pickup, yet clear as day here is this 1 inch deep well on the inside of the pan right where the pickup sits. To make an already long story short, the indentation was NOT made by the factory, it was 15 years of sludge buildup in the oil! I took the Frantz unit apart and it had been sludged up for at least 10 years! I was right, the geek didn't know **** about this filter system. Moral to the story, understand the technology before you go off and install it on your car. Yeah you can use a Frantz but if you talk to the distributors they will advise against toilet paper...some of it may be that they want you to buy their product but some of it is based on the fact that toilet paper will clog up quickly. Have you ever noticed how much one brand of TP varies to the next? How the hell do you know which one works best in a Frantz? I'll stick with FRAM.... [/ QUOTE ] maybe he didn't use NEW tp.
I've got a few of those Stilko filters. I haven't run one on a car, but I'm thinking about cutting one down and using it for a tachometer cup. Mmmmm - finned aluminum.....
[ QUOTE ] A guy I worked with years ago (1977) brought his car to me for a rebuild. It was a 63 Dodge Dart slant six with 160K on it. He had a Frantz filter on put the car when he bought it new. I was a little sceptical especially when he told me "yeah, this oil filter is great, you never have to change the filter, just put the toilet paper in one time and you're good for life". I had my doubts, after all this guy was a geek computer programmer who was lucky to be able to pump his own gas! So I tear this motor down and when I pull the oil pan I notice that the bottom inside of the pan has an indentation for the oil pickup. What the hell is this? I can't see any indication from the outside of the pan that there has been a stamping for the oil pickup, yet clear as day here is this 1 inch deep well on the inside of the pan right where the pickup sits. To make an already long story short, the indentation was NOT made by the factory, it was 15 years of sludge buildup in the oil! I took the Frantz unit apart and it had been sludged up for at least 10 years! I was right, the geek didn't know **** about this filter system. Moral to the story, understand the technology before you go off and install it on your car. Yeah you can use a Frantz but if you talk to the distributors they will advise against toilet paper...some of it may be that they want you to buy their product but some of it is based on the fact that toilet paper will clog up quickly. Have you ever noticed how much one brand of TP varies to the next? How the hell do you know which one works best in a Frantz? I'll stick with FRAM.... [/ QUOTE ] What else would you expect if the idiot never changed his oil filter??? The Frantz is working just fine in the 1966 Chrysler convertible my mother drove for 25 years. Its been in there since before she got the car. You may want to learn more about FRAM filters http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/
check out: http://www.wefilterit.com/ It doesn't do anything to the oil pressure because it's an auxiliary filter. It's not a high byp*** filter like OEM filters are, so it can only handle a limited flow. There's much more info on the web site.
What do you do about the viscosity cut in the oil? I've read that after 300 miles a 40 weight oil is a 30 weight oil
I got an old chrome Frantz I'm gonna install in the Plymouth. It was intended to be a byp*** filter, and the stock filter in the Plymouth was a byp***, so I'm just gonna plumb it in place of the original and see how it works. I plan to change my toilet paper frequently...
I used to have one of these filters on an 84 buick rivera that I got from my grandparents. I just changed out the TP atleast every other oil change. it kept the oil pretty clean of gunk.
Yes I had one in a 1961 Merc Comet once..Not the greatest invention ever,the toilet paper starts to break apart and goes into the engine plugging up vital oil p***ages!!
[ QUOTE ] Wow, what a ****py post! Just couldn't resist. Tim [/ QUOTE ] I know where to get ya some toilet paper... it's kinda oily though!
Back in the mid-'70s my auto shop teacher used the Frantz filters on his cars. You change the TP every 500 miles, you don't leave it in long enough for it to break down. They are a byp***-type filter so they only filter a little of the oil at a time unlike a modern full-flow filtering system. The oil looked just like honey from using the Frantz filter, worked good from what I could tell.
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