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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kvisser, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. Bluto
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    Looks like ''Rabbit'' :D
     
  2. Deuce Rails
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    Is that bare aluminum one an original 35?
     
  3. jimdillon
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    Anyone notice the GP Mercedes in the St Michaels Concours behind the tree. We were next to him at Amelia Island earlier this year. It is not a 1914 GP Mercedes. I believe it is a 1913, I spoke to the owner for awhile, great piece. I have been digging thru files trying to come up with an old photo.Kind of one of those racers that has slipped under the radar for years. Nice car with a bunch of Patina. It has vintage raced a bit in Europe. Anyone know of the car?-Jim
     
  4. Cris
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    from Vermont

    A submission courtesy of Bluto:

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  5. Cris
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    Jim,
    That looks like the Mercedes ch***is with the...I am having a hard time today...it's got some kind of giant four cylinder airplane engine in it? It's been at Hershey the past couple of years. Bob must remember what motor it has in it. I have a bunch of photos of it somewhere...an absolutely amazing machine.

    Cris

     
  6. I want a Bugatti but I probably can't afford it.
     
  7. jonnycola
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    I have a NOS cam for a type 35 if anyone needs one....

    No, I'm not kidding around, either.
     
  8. big ww1 6 cylinder...

    thats definately a post ww2 talbot in the back round.
     
  9. kvisser
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    I spoke with the owner for a while. I believe he found the car in Australia and spent a number of years rebuilding it. I thought it was a 1911 or so Mercedes. He drives that thing on the street occasionaly. He mentioned that the bimmer guys are scratching their heads when he wizzes by.

    What did you have at Amelia? I probably have a couple of pictures of your car as well.



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  10. he probably pulled the whole set up out of the garages in the backround. ;)
     
  11. Bluto
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    You can buy a new Bugatti from these guys........

    http://www.bugattirevue.com/revue25/argentin.htm

    They make all kinds-0-stuff

    I have the bumpers 57sc!! I'm not kidding either and a set of GP headlamps..... actually I have three of 'em

    Let's start a list

    We could build a HAMBugatti!!!!!:)

    Plate on the Merc starts with BS (a clue?)
     
  12. I'll check when I get home, but if I recall...Mercedes was still using chaindrive in '12.

    In either '12 or '13 the Mercedes cars were banned from the GP. That year than ran 2 sets of cars. One of the cars was a rebodied '08 double chain drive ch***is. The remaining cars had shaft drive. All the cars still retained the slab tank in the back and had not yet recieved the body overhaul of the '14 GP as seen below.

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  13. BS? Stier Scheiße?

    I thinks our HAMBugatti could be as legit some of the ones out there... :D
     
  14. Bluto
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    Those are the workshops at the ''Ring''
     
  15. :rolleyes: sheesh. flat towed a 35 with a 328 from jolly ol'england. that must be story.

    i take that back, those are french or swiss plates? but why would the 328 have an RAC badge and an MGOC badge...what they also had a J4?
     
  16. Bluto
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    AAA Meant something different in those days......:D
     
  17. Beach Bum
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    Shouldn't the Bug have about 8 degrees of positive camber on the front? Was the front suspension modified?
     
  18. Good NIGHT- cant't decide which one to drool over :eek: :eek: :eek:

    Bluto- I wanna be like..., no, be YOU when I grow up:D
     
  19. kvisser
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    As far as I know, its some sort of WW1 Luftwaft engine thrown into a prewar Mercedes Ch***is. It's supposed to be a direct relative of "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

    Here are a few photos of the exhaust side.

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  20. kvisser
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    I'm not sure of the year but yes, that is a post ww2 Talbot.

    Here is a picture of my daughter dancing by it.

    regards

    ken

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  21. noboD
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    Mac, there's a fat chance of that happening. Bluto growing up, that is.
     
  22. jimdillon
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    I have had a few people question the provenance of the Mercedes and I am trying to see what photos I have prior to 1914 with the that style rear end. Fur Biscuit is right with most of the cars prior to 1914 having chain drive. I ran across one photo that might help but it is difficult to track down Mercedes stuff on this side of the pond except for DePalma's stuff and the stuff that ran at Indy. The rear is pretty dead on as I have a lifesize copy of the 1914 GP Merc differential. Neat car with a Hall Scott aero engine. There were a number of cars running the Hall Scott- a pretty good powerplant.

    As to the car I was with it is the 1915 Packard 12 (twin six) found in the jungle of South America about 6 or 7years ago. I have been trying to track down this Packard since 1969 and when it was found and came back to the states I helped do***ent the car right after it came out of the container. Neat car with a neat story. I have been to Pebble, Amelia, Meadowbrook and Glenmoor with the car and I have a photo my wife took hanging in my shop when the owner and I took its maiden voyage (or the first since the late twenties). The owner likes to put his foot into it and I tell you the guys that drove those cars had big ones.

    A funny story is the one photo is with Lonestar JR. I was talking to him for a while and my wife came up to him not having a clue who he was and grabbed his hand and told him what a nice ring he had and would he tell her where he got it. I laughed and he as matter of fact said "well that is the ring I received for winning the 1980 Indianapolis 500". My wife said no wonder I liked it.-Jim
     
  23. jimdillon
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    Forgot the photos-bad day I quess.
     

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  24. ... or any of us? :D

    I spent a couple of years in the ministry- one of my FAVORITE p***ages is MT 18:3:

    "Unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

    I try to work hard at being as childlike as possible, while trying hard not to be childish!

    Sorry for the OT rant... Bugattis are, as always, THE example of a European racecar for me.
     
  25. Jimdillon,

    Is that the "Gray Ghost"? The fellow I used to work for was restoring an early Packard racecar some years back- who did the resto on this one?
     
  26. Beach Bum
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    Is that George Wingard's car or is his later?


    Kurt O.
     
  27. jimdillon
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    Photos of the Merc
     

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  28. jimdillon
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    Bill Godisak (Sunray Restorations)in Dowagiac Michigan did the restoration. Who did you work for that was restoring an early Packard racer and which racer was it, as there were only a handful?-JIm
     
  29. jimdillon
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    The 41 car is the 14 GP merc that was in Cunninghams' museum and is now in Florida I believe. George's car has the correct #28 which he had the Stuttgart museum remove from their car. Of course the 28 car is the winning 1914 Grand Prix winner.
     
  30. The37Kid
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    The Merceces that was at Hershey this year has a HALL-SCOTT engine, and the owner will tell you upfront that he ***embled the parts within the last few years. Great looking car IMO, I think he said the ch***is came out of Australia or New Zealand.
     

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