i should explain the photos no 1. valance panel not rusted (thats a first for me)no 2 coupe body no 3 and 4 rear body phaeton 5 body no phaeton 6 dash no7 here is an old trick old timing chain on lovejoy shock absorber and the original canvas (broken of course)phaeton
This is my junk. She's still in Wisconsin, I need to get her home before she turns into a flower pot.
Love those early Pontiacs. You never see them, though. The '33-'34s are my personal favorites, but I'm really digging that phaeton. I'd be hard pressed to decide between a hopped up I8 or a 389 tripower. -Dave
Go 389 with tripower. Inlines are neat as shit, but speed parts to HOP it up............UBER rare and SUPER expensive. Already looked into that line.
rarerodder i am glad you accidently posted twice i needed to read it again to understand.its all ok though as its a holden bodynot 29 and not30 but as the engine number suggests 1929 and a half.thefront bumper is off my 29 ford (CHICKENCOOP). have been soaking the seized motor in kerosene for the last few days.tonight i jumped on the crank handle and the bloody thing turned over.ijumped on the crank handle four times nothing then jumped on it won last time and broke 50 plus years of stiffness and corrosion.are these motors worth restoring as i only want this car to be ol timey original and potter along to swap meets and rod runs.thanks for thinking of my need of a radiator surround .iwill find you a pontiac ute (one was on ebay au .recently and it was original plenty of pics)cant find it though also another person who has replied to this thread has purchased a 29 pontiac coupe i hope he chimes in cmon george.ihave posted some pics of the motor (still cant work out the year or make of this mascot or steering wheel or badge on the dash)hopefully someone can help thanks dave
I've seen that mascot before but just can't remember on what exactly. I think it was on a mid thirties Chevrolet. Called the mascot a griffen and I think it's suppossed to have wings-does it look like maybe have broken off at the back? Here's a nice example of a 1930 pontiac standard coupe in Canada: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pont...009QQitemZ190178843576QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Looks good except for that Bright burgandy imitation mohair upholstery. Originally all early Pontiacs had a beige colored mohair interior. Davesville, looking at your last pictures, that phaeton has the 29 Pontiac dash also. Only differences I have found between 29 & 30's is 29 had two instrument light posts and 30 had one. Oops, I think I already said that somewhere earlier.
Brandy, Hey I've seen alot worse than that was turned into nice cars! Save it from the rust fairies and get it somewhere it can start looking like a car again! Check the number of the firewall plate if it's still there. I'm thinking that one's a '28 coupe. It's got 12 spoke wheels which were 26-28 (29-32 had 10 spokes) and the cowl lights are 27-28, but the belt lines are making me think 28 not 27. Could be wrong as I've never owned any that old.
Hey, I saw that one on ebay-too far from Tennessee. Glad some one got it and has good plans for it? You do have good plans for it right, George? That's definitely a 29 Pontiac-can tell even with it dissassembled like it is. See the mould line on the side of the cowl-how it curves down and forward? That car had side mounted spares which was a nice option back then. That's what the two quarter sized holes were for on the side of the cowl. I bet that car was originally a rumble seat car as standard coupes had the spare mounted on the rear behind the trunk lid. On rumble seat cars the lid would hit the spare so they moved it to the side mount configuration. If you're planning a rod and wanna keep the side mounts, what I did on my 31 was made a simple hidden mount behind the rim that would fit a later model wheel and widened the opening of the spare well by cutting it out of the fender, splitting it in two and adding a 2 inch strip of metal down the middle, marking the fender opening and cutting the hole to fit and welded all back into place. Looks neat! Hey George, if you're not planning on using those wheels let me know. I'm wanna do one of my cars as a stocker and my wheels are rusted pretty bad-some of my spokes nearly in two.
Thanks,I have not actually seen the car yet.I noticed that it has steel wheels.All the ones I seen from that era had wood spokes.Was the steels an option for this model?From what the owner told me that it was a trunk car and not a rumble seat model.I dont know if he knows the difference but I will when I get down there tomorrow.I looked at the fenders they look like regular ones.I dont see any hole that the tires would sit in.Here are the pics.She gonna be a cool little rod.I dont know if I am going to use the fenders just yet.
George, It's possible it might not have been a rumble seat model. My 31 coupe had a single side mount and didn't have a rumble seat originall, (though it does now). Side mounts were an option with the rear mounted spare standard on non rumble seat models. I've discovered that fenders got changed out alot on these old cars so that may explain why the front fenders may not have spare wells. But, I'm sure that those holes in the cowl are for the side mount bracket. 28 thru 32 Pontiacs could be had with either wood spoke or steel spoke wheels. Wood was standard on 28-30 cars with steel as options and steel wheels were standard on 31 & 32's with wood as options. That will make a cool little rod, fendered or fenderless. Gotta get us a report after you get the car! This is great, with you and Davesville getting into the early Pontiacs, it's a little less lonely. Not alot of us out here!
That's a lot of info I didn't know. Either way, no matter what it is, she's getting an ALL Poncho treatment. 60 389 with tripower backed by a 4 speed. Already collecting parts.......screamin Injun on a serious WARPATH.
You got any pics of your car.Did you do it all back in wood or did you do it in steel?Did you use the original frame or a built one.What did you run for front suspension?Rear leafs or 4 link?I just never have seen these cars done up. So I will have many ? on the ones that have been.
I'll try to scan some of my tech pics and post em this weekend. Whodaman did a great thread on a 1930 Pontiac he built for a customer. Davesville, hope you don't think we're a bunch a hijackers here, keep the info comin on those right handedPontiacs you picked up and we can all share notes. I've got some ideas for some of my future projects I want to bounce off the Pontiac lovers and appreciaters here on the HAMB as well.
hijack away its all good info . if anyone has an early pontiac and wants to ask a question ask it here while we have the early pontiac guys talkin (there is nowhere else to go)
Davesville, there's a guy that owns an unrestored '29 coupe that shows up at some local shows. I'll take pics for you next time I see it, but it may be next summer. It's kind of yellowish/tan and brown. I love utes, you can send me a few too.
Hi, I thought I would jump in here as well, I have a 1930 pontiac coupe, that I've owned for about 2 years , it had sat in a barn since 1968, The body is by fisher and may be Canadian??, The wood is crap , but the metal is very sound, The engine was a running flat six, but the replacement is a 74' 455. The wheels, axles, tranny and engine are available to anyone that needs them, my plans don't involve them!! Rarerodder ..I would love to see some more pics of your 30' coupe, I'm having a time finding info, lots of Ford stuff, pretty much like hens teeth on the early pontiac stuff Here's mine, as it came home;............dic
Big dic, (Why do I want to grin when I type that ) Anyway, I think you stole my 30 coupe. With the exception that I still have the rear fenders on my car, yours looks almost identical to mine! I found mine one day when I was describing my 31 coupe to a gentleman in Detroit, MI. He then stated his aunt "had an old Pontiac in the barn". Though it was so buried in 'stuff' that one could barely make it out as a car in there, it had been in that old barn since 1959 and whoever put it there put it up on stands to keep the wheels off the dirt floor. I hauled it back to Tennessee, did only minor work to the engine, new battery, added gas and fired it off. Been drivin' it around for about 10 years now. I'll try to get some more pictures scanned soon.
Hey r.r. that would be great, the rear fenders for mine our with it ,just not on it when I picked it up. The guy I bought it from had got it from a kid in 1968 that had done some work to it and was using it to go to and from school, he was going to university and had to sell . I think he still lives in the area , ao when I'm done rodding it I'm going to get his address and pull into his drive some morning, should be exciting. looking forward to more pics.............dic
As long as we are talking Ponitacs.Here is what I have on mine.I will post on this thread till I start the build if its Ok. I just got back from the 200 mile trip.My son rode with me.He is 5.He wanted to go so bad after he had seen the pics.When I arrived at the guys house we started talking about the car and then the owner goes in the house and comes out with a fist full of Hot Wheels,Still in the packages.I ask him whats up with the cars.He tells me that I have sold many cars in my life and never seen a 5 year old show up with that much interest in the car that I was sellin."This guy is a collector".We shoot the sh**t for a few and we start loading the truck.I never thought we would get all the parts into the truck.This guy had everything.There is no rust through on any part.Any rust thats on the cowl can be wiped off by hand.The only scary part is the whole stucture is wood.Alot of it has already been started but I think I am going to yank it all and start with steel.Its all new and fresh.But that is way tooo much wood for me.The mastr is all wood but it has a regular body thats all intact.This car is all piece by piece wood structure that all the panels nail too.Its too late for the pics and I am beat.I will get some pics in the AM.Every body part is strait as and arrow and rust free. <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->__________________
good on you mate well done . forget the car and parts you got you just spent 200 miles of excitement with youre son and thanks to the previous owner he got a bonus . priceless
Hey 35 mastr, this is getting wierd, I've got a 34 master deluxe as well! are you living in some kind of paralel universe?? I plan to replace the wood in the pontiac with steel as well ,but originally evrything was nailed to the wood sub-frame about every inch or so, then covered with a wooden "molding". I'm not sure how to approach it, Should I tack the tinwork together and then fasten it to the steel sub-frame?? I don't want to weld the tinwork directly to the steel subframe. How should I do this? any help? does this make sense? maybe this pic will help..............dic
I'm with Davesville, the car is great but the story about sharing with your son is the best! That will make the whole car hobby experience much enjoyable. Here's my little guy who turns 2 years this month and his first Pontiac. I started with a pedal car that had a chrome grille which was split down the middle and looks Pontiac to me so I imediately took the pedals, skinny wheels, and other parts off and transformed it into a stroller . I added the lowered axles (front I-beam with tie rods and turning front wheels, fenders, tire/wheels, custome fit padded seat, pontiac shaped dash, titlting windshield frame, front bumper modeled after a 30 Pontiac bumper, headlights (30 Pontiac cowl lights), a scaled down replica of a 26 Pontiac radiator mascot and built a potter-style trunk for the back end. I control the steering of the front wheels from a rotating tee handle that is cut out of the top of picture. He loves it and get's more attention at shows and rod runs than I've ever gotten with a real Pontiac! Which is perfect for his mom and I! I know I'm gonna be sad when he outgrows it.
Thanks noboD, Problem is I didn't think to take more shots while building it. I do have the before and after as well as on shot about mid-way thru the build.
big dic, I built all of the floor structure in steel in my 31. That part's not too difficult. I also made steel quarter panel structures. But I ended up leaving all the wood from the floor up as well as in the doors as it was sound. I did liberally apply coats of wood preservative and then coated with urethane. But, I did have to make new wood pieces for the lower sections of the door. That too was easy-flat pieces. I blasted and used the original metal brackets that tied the floors to all the upright pieces by drilling the square tubing in the floor and bolting. I've seen alot of all steel tubing-wood replacement jobs in these early cars. A few did a good job but I've seen some dangerous looking ones too. If a guy was a good sheetmetal man, I would recommend reinforced sheetmetal similar to what the car manufacturers went to later. This could be combined with some tubing as well. That's how I'm planning to to with the 31 cabriolet convertible. But, there's not a much car to reinforce as a closed body car. My 30 coupe is gonna stay like it is for a while yet. If I ever do anything with it I will probably restore as a stocker and hope I find a good wood working buddy by then ! Here's some good body framing pics someone posted on the HAMB not too long ago. This looks very similar to what I did on my 31 with the wood still in the upper parts. Some of the early Chevy wood will work in the Pontiacs though the guys who manufacture it usually will only guarantee it to fit the Chevys.
Big dic, I forgot to add that I did weld the windshield header (piece above the visor) to the top as well weld in an insert from an 84 suburban to fit the old cloth opening in the top. I also welded the rocker panels to the cowl in front as well as the back of the door openings. Now the 30 body has alot more 'pieces' than the 31 has so you may choose to do more tacking. I almost cringe when I say this (YEP, Here it comes!) I almost hate to see such a pristine original car welded. Sorry, I have the little original/stocker 'angel' that sits on one shoulder and the little hotrodder 'devil' that sits on the other. I constantly battle with myself to modify or not. But, that's a whole other thread that's been whipped to death and causes a lot of, err, passion to be expressed.
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