RR.......I hear ya!, The old guy I bought the car from almost cried when I told him my plans, This was the fist car he has ever sold in his life, probably had 15-20 in the barn where the 30' came from, took him 3 days of re-arranging just to get it out of the barn. I want to "upgrade " some things , yet try to make it still look like a 1930 pontiac, if you can understand what I am trying to say? Thanks for the pics , Imay p.m. you with more questions as I progress, if thats O.K. .........thanks ................dic
Big dic, If you haven't seen this thread by Whodaman yet, it's definitely worth a look. I attached the link to his thread below. He did a great job with a 30 Pontiac coupe. Only thing I would have done different would have been to use the original taillights and left the bumpers on the car. Hey, sounds like what I did with my 31 ! I do think a 30 and a 29 would look cool as a lowered resto-rod. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184657&highlight=1929+pontiac Definitely send me a PM and I give you my contact info. That goes for anybody on here that wants to keep talking even after this thread finally dies.
Well had to unload eveything and find places to put it.Then I had to go and get a Christmas tree so I havent had a chance to update.These are the pics of all the stuff when I unloaded it in my yard before I stuffed the my 12x16 shed .Here are some shots of what I got.This was the mess I had before I unloaded it this morning.
These were during the unloading.That radiator still has the original cap.But one of the tabs are broken and I will need to have it redone.But that shell and cap will be reused. <!-- / message --><!-- attachments -->
These were during the unloading.That radiator still has the original cap.But one of the tabs are broken and I will need to have it redone.But that shell and cap will be reused.
This was durin invintory to see what I had.Both my son and my daughter hepled me unload.All sheetmetal is undamaged and look at those headlights.Perfect except for chrome peeling All drivetrain and some sheetmetal avalible if any of you need it.
george . you have done well you have got all the bits you need to build a cool hotrod .this car has obviously been well stored.cant believe how little rust there is this will speed up youre build.in my opinion this is the way to buy a project.almost rust free bootlid .easily restorable headlights radiator surround cowl doors rear quarters etc (IMAGINE WHAT THIS WOULD COST IF IT WAS A 32 FORD coupe )and you got a radiator mascot as well.i bidded on one of these last night .leading all the way and at the last minute out bidded probably by a mascot collector . imust admit i had a few beers and was excited dont get me wrong i am not rich living on a carpenters wage but i really wanted it as it was original and it would have suited my coupe it went for nearly 500.00 au dollars .anyway thats evilbay for you it can be good to you or it can be bad.i am interested in some original parts (hope you got my pm) dave
Hey 35 mastr, that scene in your yard looks familiar, if yoare in ned of any parts let me know I can maybe help you out , i'm sure some of the 29 and 30 parts are inter-changable. Davesville, are you saying one of these rad caps went for almost 500 bones???
That is the cap in question.I have mine.But one of the tabs that actually locks the cap is either broken or missing.
Hey Pontiac guys, That cap is the 30 and 31 cap. Only two years that used the same cap. Don't know why. The 29 cap looks similar but is larger and slightly different in shape but the biggest difference is the 29 cap has the copper colored face on the indian. I've got a collection of 26-32 caps. I'll take a picture of them and post em. They are pretty cool to see all together and I've never gotten to show them to anybody yet. Wee, I'm beginning to have some fun! Thanks for showing up guys!
http://www.vintageandclassicreproductions.com/ Hey Davesville, Here's a link to a company down in your part of the world that does some early Pontiac reproduction pieces. Also, the radiator caps are reproduced in polished stainless steel by some guy I met at Hershey and I can't find his card at the moment as well as in chrome plated bronze by Rich & Kathy Rose who advertise in the Pontiac Oakland Club magazine. Rich and Kathy do a number of other early Pontiac castings as well. They used by 30 dash knobs as pattern for reproductions they now sell. The original caps can sometimes be replated successfully but if it's not a reputable shop, I have seen some caps ruined and the details wiped out. I also have a card somewhere on a guy who reproduces the aluminum running board trim for 29-30 & 31 Pontiacs (as well as a number of other makes and models). I think his company is called L & L Reproductions but I will have to search for his info as well.
That the same boat that I am in.I was thingking of tacking all the sheetmetal together.Then making the lower perimeter in steel.Then doing the cowel uprights and tie on piece in behind the dash for strenth.The only problem that I cant see is reproducing the B pillars in metal.The doors are curved and there is a indent in the pillar itself and on the door.I wish someone would also chime in on this that has done one of these before with some pics.I have the vision but just would like to see how it has been done before I go welding it all together.Then find out I am up shits creek.
George, what you just described in my biggest hang-up. I can't get nothing done cause I'm always scared I'm gonna screw something up. So I end up sitting a staring and thinking and staring and thinking and then do it again the next day before I make a move. Slow as hell but beats tearing it apart and doing it again! Which I've done more than once also.
not that one big dic its a 30 31 chrome face headband etc.i bidded on one of those also . went for 360.00 us dollars .the 1929 is slightly different (bronze face no headband )both in good original condition this is what mascot collectors want. i pushed the price up coz i have an original car( not too many of us).i looked under completed listings in ebay and found one with a small hole drilled in its head (probably kids sticking feathers in it). it went for 56.00 us no collector would want this but i would its the patina i want looking forward to seeing youre collection rarerodder .hoping you have one with a hole in its head ha ha dave
Hey guys , Sounds like we could form our own little pontiac club There is a guy about 4 hrs from me that is a mascot expert , he could tell you anything you ever wanted to know about them, I talked to him about a month ago, looking for a 29' cap for a friend in B.C. He also does repairs/ restorations.........Mike Kleba....613 923-5934 He's in Eastern Ontario, may be worth a shot, doesn't hurt to ask. That 'b' pillar thing has me stumped as well I could make it out of oak but am concerned with the strength , and I don't think I have enough skill to make it out of metal any help???
big dic i am a timber guy i cant even weld my younger brother is a panel beater bodybuilder etc .very talented and works on very exotic cars and he hates and cant work with timber.he stirres me up when i try to straighten up a piece of steel and i get him back when he is trying to create a curve in timber there is an answer though
Glen's parts at vintage and classic repros are first class. The details in incredible. He comes to Hershey every year if you can wait that long to save shipping costs. L&L is also a good Co. to deal with. The owner has JUST died and his son is taking the business over. I've bought from them and was very pleased. It's the ol' small world thing. I should have a full address if you need it.
ok big dic this is what we have come up with the original pillars in front of me. brother was not happy to weld steel to steel(it has to be completely steel to be strong enough timber flexes and has to have joints that move)he said .that ran from the top of the roof to the bottom of the chassis so we compromised and used steel plates routered into the timber (kind of like a steel skeleton with body parts nailing to timber )be nice to me i am new at this
I used the pic of the 1930 car, as it was clearest. Looking at the differences, I would say your `29 has definitely got shorter doors, and a curved top to the side windows. And also, it appears that your belt swage line doesn´t curve down behind the doors like on the `30, but wraps around behind the roof. Anyway, I had a bash at it. I think the only things to watch out for are that the wheels and tyres are big enough to fill the arches out properly, and to maybe raise the visor, to take out that step up to the roof. Nice looking car - like a Model A 3W kinda.
Wow, I just got a special tingle from seeing that picture James D, no ofense, but I kinda think it looded better with the visor lowered to the original position. And, any Model A only wishes it could look as good as a Pontiac ! Thank you very much for sharing that photoshop with us, I loved it. Oh no, more chopped and cut early Pontiacs in the near future!
big dic, Mike Kleba sold me my first cap-a rechromed 28 mounted on a wooden base. I still have it although I now have a nicer original with original finish. He has an amazing collection of all makes/models radiator cap, hood ornaments, etc. He's a nice guy too! I've taken the picture of all of my Pontiac caps but I'm still in the 20th century-I have to get the 35mm film developed before I can post it. Davesville, I'm not sure what you're describing on the wood and metal combination for the body frame. Although you're right that you just can't weld all the body pieces together without some sort of frame reinforcement-whether steel or wood. I can tell you this from experience as well, I'm not sure of the chemical makeup of the steel used in these old bodies, but even cleaned of all rust and paint, it still doesn't weld for s@%t. I'm a decent mig welder and I got pissed trying to weld it, best method I found was to just do small hot tacks. If one of you guys are thinking about wood replacement or wood steel combination, I highly recommend Rodman Autowood at 219-797-3775. He made pieces for my 31 cabriolet cowl and they looked and fit amazing.
The photo chop looks great, but do you think it would be possible in "real life", ? What I mean is, I looked at mine and couldn't see it ,without screwing up the oval wimdow in the rear , and didn't think there was enough metal above or below the window to make the cuts there, just my opinion, maybe I wasn't looking hard enough. RR......I only talked to Mike K. once , but got the impression he was a good guy,....... too cool.............dic
Davesville..........that sounds like it might work for me, its better than what I am doing right now , which is a big fat nothing.......thanks...dic
big dic, I have studied the rear window area as well and came to the same conclusion. Don't know if you could get it that low or not but it could be lowered like you said by either cutting out section above and below the rear window or narrowing the window and re-radiusing the 'corners', but both would be better left to the professional sheet metal guys and frankly, I don't think it has to be chopped to look good-I like the rear window just as it is. Whodaman has already shown us that unmodified body panels of the 30 look great and here's a couple pics of a two door sedan at stock height and it looks awesome as is.
And here is what an unchopped and unmodified body of a 31 Pontiac coupe looks like (that one's mine )
I have to agree , RR ,those pontiacs look sweet just the way they are, I guess they got it right the first time around (1930/31) Now as far as fords go.....................uhh, never mind
As I dig through my parts pile.I now have a question.Is the front windshield frame on my 29 going to be metal or is it all wood?I have the glass,But i dont see anything that resembles the windshield frame except the piece of timber that has the window style crank mechinism for the wipers.
all i have left is the top part of the frame . maybe that is all it had after all the windshield winds up and down
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