I work on those. I'm a locomotive diesel mechanic. Thats a blower motor, twin blowers. The turbo ones have more horsepower. But if your going to go big, go BIG. <TABLE style="WIDTH: 438px; HEIGHT: 194px" cellSpacing=1 width=438 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="25%"></TD><TD width="70%">2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)</TD></TR><TR><TD width="5%"></TD><TD width="25%">Length:</TD><TD width="70%">89 feet</TD></TR><TR><TD width="5%"></TD><TD width="25%">Height:</TD><TD width="70%">44 feet</TD></TR><TR><TD width="5%"></TD><TD width="25%">Maximum power:</TD><TD width="70%">108,920 hp at 102 rpm </TD></TR><TR><TD width="5%"></TD><TD width="25%">Maximum torque:</TD><TD width="70%">5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/
I think any number of tractor engines would work fine......as long as the RPM's are kept in check. Most of the early 4 cylinder motors that I'm familiar with (IH, MM) only have three main bearings. The rods, cranks, and pistons are almost always forged but quite heavy and are governed to never see over 1400 - 1500 RPM max.
Rand Man says:I was told the 8N tractor motor was half of a V8 60, not a 239. 8N engine used pistons with 3 3/16 dia. So not the V8 60. Some people ran them with out sleeves to gain bore size.
The 134 and 172 ford tractor OHV engines are 2/3 of a OHV ford 6. The tractor engines/industrial engines will take a Ford 223-6 bellhousing and flywheel. I had one with a T-10 in a A pickup;it hauled a$$ and a LOT of people thought it was a A with ohv conversion...............should hve kept it.
I must be thinking of another engine. It was on here in 2005. I thought the same as you guys and someone corrected me. They must of been wrong, or we're talking abaout different engines.
1939 was the first year of the Mercury "95"--239ci. That was also the first year of the 9N tractor (1939). It is from this that the 9N, 2N (1942), and 8N (1948-52) engines were originated. I did not realize that the later OHV engines (1953 & up) had origins in the six cylinder family.
The Triumph TR4 engine is an evolution of a M***ey Fergurson tractor engine. It puts out 105 HP at a little under 5000 rpm. If I can ever get caught up with my so called life, I am going to replace the Buick 225 in my Jeep Commando with a SBC, replace the 2138 cc Triumph engine with the Buick 225, and use the TR4 engine in a modified.
Interesting replies, all....I just keep remembering those 400+ CU IN 4-bangers that were raced at Indy in the early years. They couldnt have twisted them too high. Ur right, Gearing is the important thing. Afterall, very few "hotrods" see actual race duty, (maybe a couple of friendly p***es). My eyes are definately wide open and the next Large Banger I see is in serious jepardy. MIZ
I believe this why all the Drag Strip tracks are closing across the country.........Because people are no longer building Hotrods for what they were intended for originally..no one is taking them to the track anymore....only at certain set events and thats it.....I know cars that sit all year and are only brought out for a handful of weekends for the whole year....to me its like having a dog chained up in the back yard and walking past it everyday and not petting it.......Todays hotrods need to see more track duty!!!!......and should be built track worthy...........its a Hotrod...or do you really own a streetrod?...in hotrod clothing.....just my opinion, Littleman
Actually, they are closing down because of urban sprawl, noise complaints/regulations, property values, high insurance premiums, and nonrenewed leases, since many were built on leased land. Attendance wasn't a problem for most of them. -KK
Adjustablejohnsons, I thought my Dad told me at one point the TR4 engine used the same block/crank as one of the early tractor motors I just couldn't remember which one. If it was the MF motor was it based on the Continental gas motor or the Perkins diesel? Anyway, yes it seems that I also remember being told that the TR4 was not really a high RPM machine, much more of a torque motor. I can tell you that it uses a solid cam, forged crank and rods, and only has three main bearings. I believe there's still quite a few speed parts out there for these motors (headers, intakes, carbs, cams, etc.) so if you find the correct motor from a MF tractor for cheap..........................................
Neither one. The (Triumph) Standard engine replaced the Continental in 1948. The Triumph engine that was based on the tractor engine was the TR2. The TR4, which I have, is an evolved version of that engine.
I would agree with that also......but none of the tracks really do not even begin to fill the seats, and are missing a large # of cars that could attend on a weekly basis..unless its some huge event.....I drive around all summer here in Ohio, and you do not see an old car all week, but come cruise night, they all come out.........otherwise these cars all sit...Cars are the new jewlery it seems..DragStrips and real hotrods are a dying breed..........I always wondered how prosperous Drag Strips really are or once were....or are they just a well to do persons toy....regardless I love them,Littleman
And they use the same tappet wrench as your Adjustable Johnsons: http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/store/model_parts.cgi?SearchArea=FORD&&md=9N&cat=Engine Parts&r=mcats
Hey draggin breath I've got a 134 that's bored 060. stainless big valves, reground cam, ported, balanced , good ignition, headers bigger carb, etc. run's real real good. It's in my 600 series Ford tractor, just can't seem to leave anything alone LOL "Doc" Parsons
This whole thread is silly but I'll add my silliness too. Some of those Whites back in the 80's (I think it was) had V8 3208 Cats in them Would be a little heavy for a Model A but like one dude said on here, could use it for stump duty during the week..
I am old tractor puller. My recommendation would be the Continental engines. Commonly found in M***ey tractors and many combines. They can take 4000 rpms easy. Get them some fuel and a good exhaust and they will easily produce 100+ HP. Other than that, you will find the big cube engines to be too heavy. Lots of power available in the turbo-charged diesels, but that would only be something to consider in a COE truck. If you like that idea, go with an IH DTA-466 (or better yet, 530) from a modern truck. 4000 rpm all day and 300+HP is available with some fuel pump adjustment. I have the tools!
In another life on the other coast I drove a single axel tractor (as in tractor trailer) with a big GMC V6, had a ten-speed, blew off the muffler, (rust issues) but, bob-tail you could bang out some shifts, lotsa noise, pretty good scoot too! Too loud to drive every/all day though.
On traditional sources...I was recently looking at a Car Craft (or possibly R&C) article, circa 1954, on the early OHV industrial Ford banger. It was part of a series on the new Ford engines, and I think they actually started building one with a fabricated intake manifold. The N series flathead bangers were rated at 22HP, severely choked down by a carb that looks barely adequate for a mower. I think there were attempts to adapt them fo midget racing.
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Pretty sure there's a history of guys running Ferguson tractor motors in midgets, also the small Continentals as well.Would be neat in a small modified.
After reading all this the question in my mind.. what is more important, mowing the pasture with my Ford 600 or use the engine for something more "fun"
for what its worth, a friend of mine just built an oliver motor for his pulling tractor, its out of an 1800, and going in an 88,and it was bored and stroked with 13:1 compression and the head port and polished, bigger valves from a ford,ie alota work and money put into it. and the builder said it would make a little over 100 hp. but....... 2500 was about max for his rpms and if he were to take it up to or past 3000 rpms to long that it wouldnt be able to handle it.
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