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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by xderelict, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. sdrodder
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    My son has one of the how to hop up a gmc chevy and buick straight 8. Its mainly on the 235. Well he told me that nicson made 3 manifolds. Triple updraft downdraft and sidedraft. I think all of them are alot worth. I have the triple down draft and thats the triple side draft still need to see a updraft.
     
  2. PeteFromTexas
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    The Ellis I just bought on Ebay. (Sorry Dick) It should be in the mail headed my way by now!
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  3. tomcat46
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    Nice score. I looked at this one on e-bay the other day. I wondered why this manifold was specific to the truck. It would work on any 235, right? Just curious.

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  4. PeteFromTexas
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    I believe it will. There is no difference in the car and truck engines. All the 235's have the same intake and exhause ports. From what I understand you can interchange the 216, 235 and 261 intakes with only minor work on some. Seems like it would work to me.
     
  5. xderelict
    Joined: Jul 30, 2006
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    "The Ellis I just bought on Ebay. (Sorry Dick) It should be in the mail headed my way by now!"

    Nice score.I told you I would stay out of the way.:) I still have that Edmunds 2x2. I got a Mcgurk on a buy it now for a good price the next day.see post 171. I really am amazed at the number and variaty of manifolds available for this series of motor.
     
  6. tomcat46
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    Now I'll play. I bought this Edmunds intake off the bay a couple years ago and I just got around to rebuilding the carbs and setting up the offy linkage and fuel lines to install it.

    There are a few odd things about this intake. It's setup for a 235 with the runner locating sleeves. It runs 2 216 style carbs (small bolt pattern). It uses exhaust manifold heat, rather than the water lines on Edmunds 235 intakes. The Edmunds logo is upside down.

    Edmunds was really proud of the finishing and polishing on all his parts. However, on this one it looks like the flash was roughly ground off with no attempt at polishing. The linkage that came on it was an ugly cobbled welded thing, but functional. By the fuel stains etc, I can tell this was run alot. I cleaned it up and was going to polish it up, but realized it had more cool factor with the raw casting look.

    I haven't seen another intake exactly like this one and neither has anyone else I've shown it to. So, I'm starting to think this may have been a test unit or prototype when the switch was being made from the 216 to the 235 and that this unit was not ever meant to be sold. I know Edmunds was known for one-off and low number production stuff for less popular motors, so its probably not a stretch.

    It also wouldn't surprise me at all if one of you sold it to me on ebay. So, whats the story on this thing?

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  7. tomcat46
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    Me too. That's why I wondered about the "truck" label. I was thinking maybe because it's a single carb, rather than a "hotrod" dual carb.

    Now, get to work cleaning that thing up. It'll be purdy.
     
  8. PeteFromTexas
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    From what I have read, Ellis make butane intakes for commercial and industrial truck use. With a carb change you can make them work for a gas powered engine. As soon as it comes in I'm going to blast it and get the fin fixed.
     
  9. Mist Green 50
    Joined: Sep 18, 2007
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    wow,very interesting.Basically,that is a Fenton with Edmunds name.I wonder if someone engraved it wit Edmunds or Fenton ran a series like that since they bought out Edmunds.
     
  10. xderelict
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    A Wayne
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  11. Stovebolt
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    Thats the manifold same as the McGurk that may have to sell. I have the manifold, fuel lines linkages and aircleaners - I just don't have the carbies. PM if interested.

    It seems as though Wayne and McGurk used the same unbranded patterns, which was a relatively common pactice in those days.
     
  12. sixinarowjoe
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    i have seen this intake with edmunds on it to -i have also seen it with D&S on it it seems to be acommon type ,style of manifold -- where is heathen maybe he can shed some light on this --joe
     
  13. xderelict
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    how about a Hartman
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  14. Old-Soul
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    shit man, you have way to many nice speed parts.

    here, let me send you my adress. I'll take some off your hands, free of charge!
     
  15. xderelict
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    I've only got these in cyber space. I am interested in the divesity of speed parts for the 235. Most of whats been shown by me are available to you on another sight. I watch and share what I see, scrolling thru this stovebolt timewarp. Most of these have sold for around $200.00 without carbs. Add carbs and linkage and expect to pay $550.00. Rare more desirable pieces, you can expect to pay considerably more. That Harper is at $1,100 and still climbing. With the never ending selection that parades by you can have what your willing to pay for.
     
  16. Old-Soul
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    I see Fenton dual intakes are easily had on Ebay... are these real or remakes? worth the money? to much?
     
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  18. HEATHEN
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    I've seen this same manifold casting with "Fenton", "Edmunds", "D&S", and "Clark Header" logos. It came to be right around '55-'56 when Fenton bought out Edmunds.
     
  19. Old-Soul
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    answer to my above question, anyone?
     
  20. HEATHEN
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    If you're referring to the Fenton intakes with "Buy it Now" from $200-$239, they're reproductions.
     
  21. Old-Soul
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    damn. Are they a quality repro at least?
     
  22. xderelict
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    It seems that one can have any vintage intake they would want with just a little patience.Why buy a repop if you can have something authentic for around the same money?I've scored a thickstun dogbone 2x1 ,edmunds 2x2,and a mcgurk 2x1 and they were between $95.00 and $200.00 each.I'd be looking for the real deal. Try a ebay search for 235 chevy for a couple of weeks and you'll be surprised how much turns up.
     
  23. Old-Soul
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    I was just thinking the same thing, did a little digging and theres a McGurk 2x1 on there for a 216.

    You are right though, I'm not in a big hurry anyways. We have a large swap-meet comming up soon, never know I might get lucky!
     
  24. PeteFromTexas
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    Yes they are quality. The Fenton ones come from Patricks. They are $200 new in the box.

    I see them all the time at swap meets. At the pate swap last year I saw at least 10 or 12 of all makes and number of carbs. They are easy to find if you are patient.
     
  25. sdrodder
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    just wait something will turn up. Go to local hot rod swaps and you will be sprised if you go to big ones. Last time in long beach i bought my nicson for 200 and there was a complete corvette setup and more.
     
  26. Old-Soul
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    National Chevy Assoc has Offy 2x1's for a decent dollar, but I think I'll take your guy's advice and wait to see what turns up locally. I heard that Fenton split manifolds don't fit all to well with a 3 speed, is this true?

    I've got a while before I'll be ready to spend the cash on some speed toys, still gotta paint my '53 in the next few weeks
     
  27. Mist Green 50
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  28. xderelict
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    A couple of McGurk intakes I got this week.I think I have an intake problem. For my taste McGurk and Wayne are top of the heap.I've been searching around and have found some interesting things lately,including the two McGurk intakes.I bought the grey one on a $200.00 buy it now 2 minutes after it came on the auction board.It does not appear to have been mounted on an engine.The other I found looking for Stromberg bxov 2s.Well I got that one too.
    I thought I would do some searcing on Frank McGurk,looking for info on the stromberg carbs.Interesting stuff out there.I found some photos of my friend Lee Suiter's father Les in a 50's Kansas dirt tracker because someone mentioned Stromberg bxov 2 in a write up.
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    this car was reported as running a Wayne built chevy.It appears to have a tattersfield two pot. I also found a Frank McGurk quote for recomendations in setting up the Stromberg bxov 2.#380269 (14-22).Thats the carb # Frank McGurk used.Telling you all that has probably made it much more difficult to find a set of carbs but hey,it's tech week and I'm trying to be a nice guy.You'll want a stromberg with 1 5/32" venturi .058'' main jet,#54 power by pass jet, with #54 inlet tube and # 70 outlet tube.
     
  29. Old-Soul
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    that settles it, when I'm ready to buy a new intake, I'm gonna wave some money in your direction haha.

    lucky you, snatching that one up just 2 minutes in buddy!
     
  30. Mist Green 50
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    my Fenton collection,its going on a NOS 54' 235.
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