Diesel applications for hot rods

I was thinking of the same thing but in an Opel GT.

 

Been thinking about for a while,just thinking not doing and no real research either but I have a Ford f250 diesel bone stock with over 150k mi. To me diesel has a big future in automobile powerplants.
My dream highway cruiser is a pre-war Cad,Buick,Olds, ??, bigger the better,Four door,dual side mounts with a Power Stroke or Dura Max diesel. Would this not be cool or what!!
Imagine the look on faces when you fire it up in the parking lot. Oh well just dreaming out loud.

 

You are very right, I just bought a '95 Dodge, pulls just as hard as my dads '03. And the after market parts list is almost endless.

 

I can't believe that I haven't seen this before. Gale Banks said that diesels are going to change. They are going to become lighter. They have such a huge low end torque advantage that the he felt the new diesels were going to give up a little bit of that and move the power up a little. Still having huge amounts of torque just more linear. This has happened is happening.

Some one posted Audis new diesel supercar just a bit ago. This is a result of Audi being the first to race a diesel powered prototype in sports car endurance racing. It won Sebring and LeMans on it's first outings in 2006. The first ever diesel to win those. Then Pugeot came out with their diesel last year. It debuted at LeMans and finished second behind one of the Audis. Then it went on to dominate the LeMans Series in Europe. Often running 4 seconds a lap quicker than gasoline powered protos. You have to take this with a bit of grain of salt though. Many feel that the regulations prefer the new diesels. And in the top classes where they race (LMP1) the Audi is the only factory team in the American LeMans Series (ALMS) LMP1 category and the Pugeot is the only factory team in LMP1 in the LeMans Series (LMS) in Europe. So there are those who think gasoline/ethanol powered factory teams would be able to close the gap in the top category. This past year the Porshe LMP2 (less weight, less power) prototype actually beat the diesel Audis a few times in the ALMS.

But more about those two diesel cars. I've never seen the Pugeot run. I've seen the Audi run on two occasions. These cars only produce windnoise and there is no hint of exhaust anywhere. This is credited to the new Dow particulate filters. A lot of fans hate them because they don't make race car sounds. They litterally just whoosh by like ground based jets. I think it's kind of cool. Peugot just announced that it plans to race a diesel hybrid in 2009 and that it may debut the last race of this season.

There was also a team (Chili Pepper) running bio diesel VW Jettas in an SCCA series last year. And there will be another team (Real Time) who usually race Honda/Acura racing the new diesel VW GTi.

The performance diesel is here. Sorry for the long winded post.

 

First off I mispelled Peugeot repeatedly. I'm having a rough time with spelling lately. Secondly I forgot to mention that the 12 Hours of Sebring is this Saturday. It will be on SPEED just about all day. Both Audi and Peugeot will be there. There will also be Corvettes, Vipers, and even a Ford GT racing. And the standard Porsches and Ferraris and that stuff too.

 

its to bad the 6.ol ford diesel is so heavy i do a lot of work on these and there is a ton of after market go fast parts for these. i have had trucks that with the down loaders and chips and all the other parts make these 10,000 gvw trucks roast the tire's.. its a blast to drive them and they sound cool too!

 

I think in the next few years we will see typical road going diesel engines dropping significant weight.

 

there a several diesels with potential. DEUTZ, PERKINS, NISSAN, IZUZU [to name a few] DEUTZ diesels are air cooled, several of these earlier powerplants are stand alone in regard to electronic controls. the 4 cylinder PERKINS and IZUZU are similar to 4 CHEVY in size. the 6 cylinder IZUZU was used in the 2 and 4 wheel IZUZU
P-UP in the 80's.
my experience is with the late 70's early 80's VW rabbit 1.6 NA---45 to 50 mpg.
replacing an injection pump can be 'pricey', but big-truck-engine repair facilities care are a repair source. the early VW is the simplest [ fuel, air, 'proper timing for the combustion event', 12 volt for the stop solenoid, and the engine lives!
there is a vendor selling kits for the suzuki brat [imagine 40 mpg from a 4X4]!
GOOGLE waste vegetable oil [WVO].
somewhat complicated---the involvement of the refueling process, however with gasoline reaching $4 per gallon. what are the possibillites?
chek out www.vwdieselparts.com ---[an interesting forum]

thanx---redryder

 

I put a MBZ diesel in my 48 Chrysler Saratoga,freaks people out!

 

Daimler/Chrysler...who'da thunk it?

 

I'll argue with you on that. the common rail is way eaiser to get the power out of than a 94-98 12 valve, also makes more hp than a 12valve.I have owned 6 of them from a 96 to my current 07 and the common rail is by far the eaiset! the 07 is staying stock but my last one an 05 was at 619hp as a daily driver and on the dyno would go over 800hp with a different tune witch took 5 minutes to download. and these numbers are at the rear wheel!

 

The VW Touareg 5.0 V10 Twin Turbo would be my dream choice diesel engine for anything. 310 horsepower at 3,750 RPM and 553 lbs-ft of torque at 2,000 RPM. It's an engineering marvel IMO.

 

That engine will actually be powering a privateer LMP1 car at Sebring on Saturday. They will be using bio-diesel.

 

Agree 100%, light weight (for a diesel), quiet, compact size....says hot rod all over it.

 

What year is the motor?

 

Now here is a 4bt for ya!!






Built by Piers Harry for South Bend Clutch.

 

That engine came in S10s, P'ups and Chevettes, and the Chevy LUV before the S10. I've read lots of reports of the Chevettes getting 50 MPG on the highway with that motor. But they suffer from a small RPM band, to really cruise with one you'd have to probably run an OD trans and a more highway friendly gear in it.

Either way, the Chevettes command $3000-$4500 on eBay, and a used complete motor/trans combo alone brought close to $1000 just a couple weeks ago.

There is a 4.3 Olds block V6 diesel that might not be a bad motor; it came in the bigger FWD cars and the midsize RWD cars in the early 80s. But other than occasionally hearing of one, I know nothing good or bad about them. They're just a smaller version of the 350 diesel, apparently.

 

J Man, that's awesome. what's that MBZ out of? I see a turbo and mechanical Inj Pump.
I'm not very familiar with the small-midsize diesels as we don't have a whole lot of the US diesel cars here in Commiefornia, mostly because our regulations do well at restricting anything efficient or productive...

 

heard mention of that thing on one of my diesel forums a little while ago, pretty cool. Guys are doing some seriously impressive things with the P-pump 4BT's recently!!

 

The diesel motors I've seen are large, covered with hoses and generally not very attractive. Early diesels sound like they are ready to rattle apart. Modern diesels have gotten quiet and now the fetish is to get a high pitched turbo whine and blow off valves.

More modern truck diesels with turbos can flat crank. Our local drag strip (PIR) allows anyone to race anything and we get a few modern Dodge and Fords. They tac'em out and let'em loose and its like a frickin tractor pull. Clouds of black smoke, lots of grunt power and turbin whine...presto their down the track.

One Diesel you want to stay clear of is an old VW Rabbit Diesel. But new GTI's have turbo diesels that are quiet and small. I think Audi does too.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM617_engine

 

Not mine, I was doing a reply to rodhotz post asking him the year. I found a '70 MB diesel near me and was wondering if they would be the same.

 

Just got through this thread. I've got a couple of projects going with diesel power. I'm building a '54 chevy truck with a '92 5.9 cummings, this will be a service truck for my son's business. Check it out at: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2646364#post2646364

I'm also building a '30 PU with a '79 MB 240 4 cly diesel with a 4 sp. I'm using an AA frame because of the torque and also because I want to run full fenders and a full bed. I don't like the way the Model a bed just hangs out in back without frame support. With the long AA frame I will have the bed supported and be able to put a trailer hitch to pull a small trailer. I plan to use this as my parts chaser. The 240 was getting around 30 MPG so I expect that or better with the lighter body.

The 4 cly diesel will fit in the stock position but the oil filter canister is giving be a clearance problem at the firewall. I'm going to try to do a remote oil filter to take care of that. Same with the exhaust manifold, will probably fabricate a header set up. The air conditioner compressor at the bottom may need to be relocated. I think this engine will clean up nicely. Any suggestions on the filter issue?

Before I get jumped on for not being "traditional", I included my '27 T I drive and built back in 2003.

 

You got some kinda anti-gravity device on that thing?

 

Pretty neat, Huh???

 

Yeah. How'd you make it?

 

Got my forklift holding up the back.

 

C'mon. You can tell me the truth. I'm fairly certain the MIB don't police the HAMB.

 

I was thinking about this one day for my 51 Merc. I think typically diesels haven't been seen in the hot rod circle because the don't have the same performance characteristics. High torque at low rpm's but they don't rev high, which is the oposite of the gasser you'd want in a hot rod. As well, at least in north america, the smell funny and offer a noisy clackity clack sound. For some reason, alot of the diesels you see in european cars aren't quite as noisy and don't smell nearly as funny. Not sure why. Diesels in cars over there are way more common than here too.

Although the diesel engine is advancing. BMW and others (Jeep I think) are starting to offer diesels in some of their high end cars, even some of the sports cars. Don't know what they're doing differently but apparently these engines put out alot more hp, and are suitable for "sporty" applications. They might just be using multi-stage turbos to pull it off, I don't know. But I do know they put out high HPs rev high, and are quiet. These engines might be more suitable to hot rod applications.

The thing I like about diesels is they are more reliable than gassers typically. It's possible to find a mercedes diesel with a million clicks. Find a gasser that will do that. Not likely. Old Land cruiser diesels still run like a top, although they are about as un performance as you can get.

 

It is an 84. Try this site for more on the MBZ stuff.
http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/index.php?