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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by tantara2001, Sep 9, 2005.

  1. But then, water rights will become a major issue.

    However, since the mileage is so good(?), maybe water will not become something to kill for as in the past before there was oil.
     
  2. 48fordcoe
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    in 2007 there wear 240 patent for fuel injection that would get 150 to 250 mpg ..no one make them..just bought up and put in the back room some where..
     
  3. Danimal
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    I work in Ypsilanti, MI. Home of Mr. Tucker himself.

    There was a reason behind Ford and GM buying up the street cars and it wasn't to make better street cars. Now we have the oil companies running our country. Something like this could be ass kicking and like brian26 said, another Boston Tea Party. Except we'll be dressed up like Johnny Cash!

    I'll believe it when I see it. At least some of the hippies are making their own diesel from used veggy oil.
     
  4. 4bangerNick
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    But thats the American way.send jobs over seas for profit. They should get taxed for doing that. Govt. also losses taxes but company gets gains and pays less taxes. When jobs stay here, people make more and spend more=more taxes gained. I think they should let Hugo Chavez sell Venazuelan gas here( they pay .12 cents a gallon) may not be the best gas but that would sure cause competition to lower the prices.Like the goverment would ever let that happen.(I no way support commies) but when it keeps money in my account while our own companies in this country take advantage of us than I don't care. Hey isn't that caplitalism? Supply and demand or find less expensive competitor!
     
  5. Danimal
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    Maybe we can get them to be alliance vendors...
     
  6. Gigantor
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    Fuckin A, Danimal.
     
  7. 53sled
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    I have a few questions, where is the water/ fuel cell supply line? There is only a little plastic line with some masking tape coming out of a cylinder.

    How can this guy build a independant fuel cell, but not set the timing?

    Why is the air cleaner on, blocking the view of the REAL fuel line to the carb?
     
  8. Hellfish
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    so, what happens to the water? After the hydrogen is used, you're left with oxygen? Are we then going to use up the world's water supply if this catches on? that's much worse than using up fossil fuels. Realistically if every vehicle started using it, could we expect water to re-form at the rate we are breaking it apart? Chemistry class was a long time ago, man.
     
  9. Von Rigg Fink
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    this is old info..now im not saying it isnt possible,, im just saying its old info..and that being said ..than why are there not more people doing it if it is so simple..show me!..because i want in too..
     


  10. Turns back into a vapor when it reaches the atmosphere.

    Hydrogen, before it combines with oxygen is explosive. Burning it before it does the atomic mating dance with oxygen, would create power.
     
  11. belair
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    So what-make a hydrogen bomb-that would be impressive. And if you jack with hydrogen and oxygen and spark, you WILL have bomb.
     
  12. Von Rigg Fink
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    the thing people dont understand about this, is that it comes back out of the tail pipe as water vapor..
    the water on this earth has been here since the begining..our atmosphere will not allow it to leave..imagine..your drinking something as old as the earth you walk on..kinda gross aint it?
     
  13. Von Rigg Fink
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    i got a perfect test bed engine for this..if anyone would shine a light on how to make it happen..i will donate it to the cause, as long as im educated in the process of how to build this contraption.
     
  14. Von Rigg Fink
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    same with gasoline..
     
  15. thats what an internal combustion engine is.
    a controlled explosion.
    a self contained, repeating bomb,
    well they don't ALL stay contained....
     
  16. krylon32
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    The guy that runs a local machine shop has been fooling with this for quite some time. He has them installed in several of his vehicles and when I was in his shop recently he has several of the converters built as spares and for multiple installations. Does it work? Only time will tell. I really need him to do my machine work, hope the black opps helicopter doesn't scoop him up!
     
  17. Kool Kat
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    An internal combustion engine is an air pump not a bomb.
     
  18. stude_trucks
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    Old news, don't need it. I read another post that showed how you can capture all the energy from the sun and put it safely in your pocket for later use when you need it. Just a few hand tools required and some aluminum foil. I tried it and it was easy and works great.
     
  19. oh, thanks for the heads up.
    guess i can get rid of them pesky spark plugs.

    ever seen a nitro motor let go?
    tell me that aint a bomb.
     
  20. Von Rigg Fink
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    until some one breaks out the Kryptonite..than its all over:mad:
     
  21. unclescooby
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    I run my car on the blood of the non-believers. I'm not sure it's legal but the supply is endless.

    Seriously, I see the original poster is in Indiana? Come by Bubba's Garage for Hot Rod night on Wednesday night if you can. We'd LOVE to tinker! I'll even buy you dinner.
     
  22. Bort62
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    Jesus people are retarded.

    You cannot get more energy out of a process than you put into it.

    The energy released from burning hydrogen and oxygen is less than the energy required to seperate hydrogen and oxygen from water.

    This is a gimmick - yes you can split water into hydrogen and oxygen and burn it, but you are not accomplishing anything. Whatever energy you gain from burning it is less than what you needed to crack it in the first place.

    Perpetual motion is not possible. I don't understand why people have such a hard time with that concept.
     
  23. Von Rigg Fink
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    you know Bort62 that may be totally true..and it is what you and i were taught as youngsters..but than again some few hundreds of years before us the world was told to be flat..and alot of other things that were said to not be true were proven differently in time. did the wright brothers give up trying to fly? so..
    all im saying is im open to suggestions..and im really open to proof..not spoof..so if this is for real bring it on and ..fuck the black heicopter B.S. they cant kill all of us..can they?
     
  24. henryj429
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    This must be true. It is written exactly how a rocket scientist would write it.
     
  25. Bort62
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    It's nothign to do with being taught as youngsters or anything else, it's a goddamn fact. The world was assumed to be flat because it was never tested. No one ever saw the edge of the world. When someone went to test it, they discovered otherwise.

    Well in this case, we can see the fucking edge. I can show it to you all day long. This isn't an assumption, it is real. This post is bullshit and the topic is bullshit. If you beleive this sort of ignorant crap then you need to get some fucking common sense. People wonder why China and other countries are beating the shit out of America in technology - it's because too many Americans are so undereducated that they actually take more than 30 seconds before dismissing this as the complete bullshit that it is.

    Jesus.

    Hey, did you know that if you pull really hard on your shoelaces, you can lift yourself up in the air?
     
  26. kisam
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    I got to drive a GM Prototype Fuel Cell car while working in a Hydrogen Plant. It was a mini van. It had to be refueled about every 8 miles. The hydrogen pump (looked like a gas pump) was a reciprocating pump and went up to 2500 psi. There is no transmission - it was a push button - it is direct front wheel drive. There is no pumpkin/axle so when you turn a corner the wheels are computer controlled. Take off was exactly like a golf cart and power was equal to a six cylinder. The rear tailpipe had a steady drip of distilled water and was cool to the touch.
    I would like to believe that someone has come up with a splitter. I know there is a toy company coming out with a toy car like this sometime this year.
    Kathy
     
  27. Von Rigg Fink
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    dude you need to relax...lol Bort,,,yer killin me...im falling off my chair laughing so dam hard.at how serious you are taking this....
     
  28. Bort62
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    Okay hold on a second.

    A hydrogen Fuel Cell is one thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell

    Basically, a battery. A car using a fuel cell has an electric motor.

    A hydrogen powered internal combustion engine is another thing. it uses hydrogen rather than gasoline. Will that work? Absolutely. The problem is you need to get hydrogen from somewhere. Cracking it from water is one way to get it, but that takes energy. Because no process is 100% efficient, you end up generating less energy burning the hydrogen (moving your car) than you do cracking it.

    That's fine if you use wind or solar or nuclear or some other energy source to crack the hydrogen and then transfer it to your car as a fuel. However, if you burn gasoline in your car's engine and then crack water w/ electricity produced by your alternator - you are going to lose.

    You start stacking up less than 100% efficient processes in series and you are wasting energy.

    Now, it is POSSIBLE that the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen is sufficiently more efficient that you get some marginal gain in some circumstance, but it's not likely and certainly not enough to make all of the expense and extra weight of lugging enough water around.
     
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  30. Bort62
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    Yeah I know, I just got SO FUCKING SICK of this kinda bullshit popping up on every car forum I participate in. It's the damn UFO shit all over again. It frustrates me that we as a society are so stupid as to entertain this sort of crap. Hot rodders especially pride themselves on common sense. Common sense says you can't make something out of nothing. Think about it, people.

    Alien technology! Perpetual Motion! Free Energy!
     

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