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59 cadillac 390 carb mounting ? question. help please

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by flewthecoupe, Jun 7, 2008.

  1. flewthecoupe
    Joined: May 15, 2007
    Posts: 40

    flewthecoupe
    Member
    from Jackson,NJ

    I finally found a little time to try and work on my 59 cadillac today.

    It doesnt idle when in gear it just stalls unless you hold the gas dow and sometimes that not enough.

    i figured id start with the visually obvious.

    the carb base gasket was leaking . so i pulled it apart to replace it with a gasket i order a couple months ago. there where 4 gaskets under the carb? a rubber one on top, than a metal thin one, than a thick hard one which i broke, than a another thin one that seamed to be made of the same material that intake gaskets are made of.

    my question is - is this how they came from the factory or did some one put them on ? what purpose do they serve and do i need them?
    i only have a replacement for the top gasket.
    after this is fixed i will change everything from the points to the plugs.
    the carb was recently rebuilt just before i got the car less than 2 years ago

    any help would be great thanks john
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  2. Dzus
    Joined: Apr 3, 2006
    Posts: 321

    Dzus
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    The stainless plate probably belongs there. My '66 275hp 327 with Carter AVS has the same gasket stack. Is there a channel in the intake right under the carb? It's plugged with carbon. If you clean it out you will find a hole going down each side into the heat crossover passage. It runs exhaust heat under the carb for preheat when cold. The stainless plate below the carb keeps the exhaust from blowing directly on the carb. The only thing I don't remember is if from the factory there was a gasket between the stainless plate and the carb. Most of the time when you take one apart you will see what you have; gasket/stainless/gasket/carb.
    Since you're in Jersey, I'd keep the heat crossover. Clean it all out. Put it back together in the same order. Don't over torque the carb mounting studs. Those AFB's are great carbs. Super simple to clean up. Holler if you need any more help.
     
  3. 265glide
    Joined: Jan 21, 2007
    Posts: 108

    265glide
    Member

    F/T/C,
    The following is how I run an AFB on a stock cast iron manifold on a 283 chev.The manifold and carb are from a 300hp/327 all stock.
    First a std.carb base gasket,next the thin metal gasket,another std.carb gasket,the bakelite spacer,another std.gasket,another thin metal plate,another std gasket and:eek: FINALLY the AFB.
    All this is pretty much as it came from GM. The idea is not to cook/perculate the gas in the carb.Isolate it from the hot cast iron manifold.
    Good luck,265glide.
     
  4. flewthecoupe
    Joined: May 15, 2007
    Posts: 40

    flewthecoupe
    Member
    from Jackson,NJ

    thanks !
    next problem - how do i find the bottom gasket and the thick middle gasket?
    the only thing ive found at the local parts stores and rockauto is the top thin rubber like gasket.

    thanks again john
     
  5. 40StudeDude
    Joined: Sep 19, 2002
    Posts: 9,562

    40StudeDude
    Member

    Check with NAPA...they mite be able to order it for you...if not, some of the specialty Cad places -- USA parts in Virginia (www.usapartssupply.com) or McVey's in Kansas (913-722-0707).

    R-
     
  6. flewthecoupe
    Joined: May 15, 2007
    Posts: 40

    flewthecoupe
    Member
    from Jackson,NJ


    THANKS i got the spacer from www.usapartssupply.com and the metal shim and gaskets from daytona parts.

    the assymbly manuel shows a regular gasket on the intake, than the spacer, than a regular gasket, than the metal shim, than the carb.

    and that channel in the intake was clogged bad.

    i still havnt done the reinstall yet though.



    anybody know a good place for distributor rebuilding??

    thanks John
     
  7. GaryM
    Joined: Mar 27, 2008
    Posts: 215

    GaryM
    Member

    FYI
    you might want to join this group of Cadillac Modifiers :
    http://www.modifiedcadillac.org
    Also, here are some parts suppliers:
    CADDY-PARTS.COM
    "The Best New or Used part at the best price."
    AGUS, Inc., 301 Zion Hill Rd., Spartanburg, SC 29307
    10877-639-2237 or 864-579-0023 or fax: 864-579-0524
    Keith Williams, Mgr. or J.L.Enndewell, Pres.
    partsmgr@caddy-parts.com or www.caddy-parts.com


    RICK'S ANTIQUES & AUTOS
    (MANY '59 Caddies & Parts)
    3310 Birdwell Ln @ Gilmer Rd., Longview, TX, 75605
    Rick Smith
    (903) 758-0480 (903) 759-1390


    KEVIN RAFFERTY
    '57 to '64 Cadillac Specialist
    643 Longacre Ln. Klamath Falls, Oregon 97601
    (541) 783-3324


    MEMORY LANE
    11311 Pendleton St. Sun Valley, CA 91352
    (818)504-3341 (818)768-2613 fax
    web: www.oldautoparts.com email: memorylaneauto@yahoo.com


    COOPER'S VINTAGE AUTO PARTS
    (Lots of Cadillac/Olds parts)
    121 East Linden Ave.(off 5 Alameda East.)
    Burbank, CA 91502
    (818)567-4140 (818)567-4101
    www.coopersvintage.com


    ALL CADILLACS OF THE FORTIES & FIFTIES
    (Specializing in '40s & '50s)
    Ed Cholakian
    12811 Foothill Blvd. Sylmar, CA 91342
    (818)808-1147 (818)361-1147 (818)361-1140 (818)361-9738
    fax
    www.allcads.com


    DAN'S CLASSIC AUTO PARTS
    (recommended by Jim Eccleston)
    40 S.E 28TH, Portland, OR, 97214-1802
    (503) 234-6674


    D.BAER'S CADILLAC VILLE
    P.O.BOX B
    Winlock, WA 98596
    (206) 785-4133


    CADILLAC USA PARTS
    261 Industrial Blvd, Kearneysville, WV 25430
    304-724-6600 Phone or 304-724-6660 Fax
    web: www.usapartssupply.com
    email: tim@usapartssupply.com


    HONEST JOHN'S CADDY CORNER
    P.O box 741/2271 FM407W Justin, TX 76247
    (940)648-3330 (940)648-9135 fax (888)592-2339
    www.honestjohn.com


    HOLCOMBE CADILLAC PARTS
    (He should have what you need. Not cheap, but his service is excellent)
    2933 Century Lane, Bensalem, PA 19020, USA
    Ted Holcombe
    Voice: 215-245-4560 Fax: 215-633-9916


    CADILLACS ONLY - 1975 and older
    (At the opposite corner of the San Fernando valley from Cadillac King.
    "Their selection of Cadillacs is VERY extensive, and they were helpful
    and treated me as a potential customer." (Jim Eccleston))
    21250 Nordhoff St. Chatsworth,CA, 91311
    Ask for Bill
    (818)772-0707.


    SMOTHER'S CADILLAC PARTS / SPI Distributors
    2155 Santa Rosa Ave., Santa Rosa, CA, 95407
    Phone: (800)550-1223 or (707)527-7200
    Phone service available Monday through Friday 8AM to 5PM PST
    Fax: (707)544-0238
    WEB: http://www.smothers.com/cadillac/
    E-Mail: info@smothers.com


    CADILLAC AUTO RECYCLING
    From 1950 To Present Date - We Ship Cadillac Parts Anywhere!
    3715 Recycle Road . Rancho Cordova, CA 95742
    Toll Free 800-368-2223 . Phone 916-638-5515
    Monday - Friday 8am - 5:30pm . Saturday 9:00 am - 3:00 pm PST
    WEB: www.cadauto.com


    BOBBY'S ANTIQUES & CLASSIC CADILLAC PARTS
    684 Schappell Rd., Hamburg, PA 19526
    (610) 562-8631
    Robert Stewart


    JUSTIN HARTLEY - CADILLAC PARTS
    (Also Service Books)
    17 Fox Meadow Ln, West Hartford, CN, 06107
    860-523-0056


    CALIFORNIA COLLECTIBLE PARTS, Inc.
    (Specializing In Cadillac Parts)
    7341 Atoll Ave., N. Hollywood, CA 91605
    (818) 764-9497 (818) 764-4275 fax
    Gary
     
  8. flewthecoupe
    Joined: May 15, 2007
    Posts: 40

    flewthecoupe
    Member
    from Jackson,NJ

    I finally put everthing back together this weekend

    cleaned out the cross over

    installed gassket pack
    gasket/phenolic? 1/2spacer / gasket/stainless shim. as per the assyembly manual

    new points set ,cap and rotor, wires, and plugs, and set idle and timing.

    AND SHE RUNS GREAT!!!
    broke the tires loose in the driveway

    NOW I just gotta figure out why shes toed out so bad.
     

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