School me on the differences between a 318 Wide Block and a Regular 318

I gave up on 'em because the 4-bolt Stromberg WWs were cheaper to build, and easier to find. Clive in the UK wasn't making new 97s yet, and I had a pile sitting around.

Jere Jobe is the man to see about your carb issues. He's the best Stromberg/early Holley guy around. You can find him pretty easily online, and he'll email you back and forth if you have a simple question.

He wriites articles like this:
http://www.streetrodderweb.com/tech/0510sr_holley_94_vintage_carburetor/index.html

Here's his site:
http://www.vintagecarburetiontech.com/

Dig his bio - he's an aerospace engineer and has done a lot of stuff, even worked on projects for NASA.

~Jason

 

I think a lot of hamb guys would go nuts in Steve's shop

 

If that's just the tip of the iceberg, then yes, I'm so in love with his shop already that I'm dropping to one knee and proposing to it, right now!

~Jason

 

yeah, it will be alot more interesting when i get rid of that f#*&#g bronco and fill the spot with something cool

 

How about a WWII Power Wagon with a Poly swap?

~Jason

 

cool, as long as it dosent have a sbc, hehe

 

Same as the LA 273 at least in A-bodies.

 

I'm surprised at this, Jason...

The early versions, up to '61 if I'm not mistaken, had three bolts along the top of the rocker cover. From '62, I'm sure, there was just one at each end.

The other changes that took place with that model:

1. The bellhousing bolt pattern changed.

2. The crank was shortened and a 6-bolt flange with tapped holes used instead of an 8-bolt flange with untapped holes.

So the engines don't do a straight interchange between pre-'62 and post-'61. This is quite important.

Otherwise, the Poly, known as the 'A' engine, was the forerunner to the 'LA', which stands for 'Lightweight A'. It was built alongside of the 273 in '64 and '65 using the same crank, the 273 was used in A-bodies while the Poly wasn't because of its width across the heads.

 

Hey, Ray! Nice to see you on here.

The above was me, being rusty, finding out that indeed what you said was correct!

By default the Edelbrock valve covers come with the center bolt hole outlined, but not drilled. I've since added to my Poly collection, and have both types of covers (but not the Edelbrocks). I've got so many 318s in my garage I can no longer make it to the back, let alone park!

Recently, I picked up a rebuilt one for $150! Toilet paper oil filter, though... Oh well - that's what spin-on adapters are for, right?

Sometimes, I am a tard. See attached pictures.





Hope things are going good with Ben and the Phoenix - incidentally, one of the transmissions you bought in Kansas used to be attached to the that rebuilt 318 I just got!

~Jason

 

Proof that you can drop a Poly in a modern car! If that was a hemi & you put the top up....Hemi under gl***!

 

My father who is 57 years old had never even seen a pair of those valve covers in person. Everyone I talked to said they were ultra rare. I found a person with a pair, but in the past he had turned down offers of $1000 plus replacement valve covers.

So this left one option when those showed up on eBay. $800 is outrageous for a pair of ****ty old valve covers, the only reason why they're priced so high is because there are idiots out there willing to pay that and more. I don't feel so bad though because when I found the Weiand dual quad intake to replace my 57 motors factory intake, I only paid $200. It balanced out, although I had to work a long time to pay for those valve covers.

Stay tuned for a 1957 poly motor with a 6-71 blower. I'm probably going to dump the factory 3 speed in favor of a fully synchronized A-833 4 speed out of an A body.

 

Hey - let us know on the Yahoo Group:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/318poly/

AND the board:
http://www.diamondbackengines.com/forums/index.php/board,6.0.html

We'd all dig on it!

~Jason

 

nice info thanks

 

Oh, Jeez... I may have found another one I might pick up. God help me...

Why can't I be the one who has Model As follow him home? But NOOOOO - with ME it has to be 318 Polys. Go figure.

~Jason

 

what kinda ****** can be bolted up to a 277 other than a powerflite? thanks

 

Can't you use an older, cast-iron (pre-'62) TF 727?

~Jason

 

It's still going to need some final detail polishing in between the intake runners since my truck is an open hood vehicle, but it is ready.

 

Holy ****pin' willikers, dude!!!

Did that start out as a Weiand dual quad, or is that one of **** Landy's?

~Jason

 

It started life as a Weiand dual quad.

As near as I can tell, when **** Landy made blower intakes for the Poly's, he did the same thing by starting with a customers intake and modifying it. He used a 4-71 blower though, whereas this is set up for a 6-71.

This is not a Landy creation, and I've never actually seen one of Landy's Poly blower manifolds. I don't know if he ever actually made any, I know people were talking with him before his death to get some made, but the death stopped that.

 

Well before his death, I remember seeing them on his site, with a price. The man himself told me that a 6-71 was way too much for the 318 and refused to sell 'em, opting for that 4-71 and a single 4-bbl.

That's the story I got, anyway.

~Jason

 

I'm curious though if anyone has one of those setups sitting in their garage or bolted onto their car. What were his prices out of curiosity?

I've got the blower mocked up on one of my spare blocks so I can get measurements for the snout and drive belt pulleys. I'm not sure about the specifics of the engine internally, but I'm going to port the heads for what it's worth, and make some nice headers to fit inside of my framerails. This will require a different steering box, probably a vega unit and a coupe of U - joints in the steering shaft. I also noticed I'm going to have to drop the front of the motor down a bit so the setup doesn't look goofy.

 

NO ONE has that "just sitting around", man. LOL!

If you port those heads, you may want to go with th bigger valves and rocker shafts Bill Richardson sells... you can get 'em through Gary on the Poly board, who can get you a cam as well.

That's one heavy setup, and very nice at that.

Are you going domed with your pistons? Internally, other than the pistons (save, for dished), the '62 - '66 318 Poly is about like any other LA motor.

You should see 29Jay's here on the HAMB!

Are you on one of the two Poly boards?

~Jason

 

I saw 29Jay's project, it looked like he has a 3 deuce Edelbrock intake setup.

I emailed Gary, and he has a list of recommendations for the buildup. But no, I am not a member on any of the Poly boards.

 

Here's the Landy site:
http://www.****landy.com/Products/index.htm

And I think pricing was about $600, but as **** used to say, "Please call - we don't quote over email."

Here's his product listing:
318 Poly Mopar w/144 blower & 10 rib drive
318 Poly Mopar w/174 blower & 10 rib drive

Here's the Polyspherical Engine ***ociation site:
http://www.geocities.com/polyman64/

The business directory has a lot of great vendors.

At the top of the page are these links:

The 318 Poly Yahoo Group:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/318poly/

The 318 Poly Forum:
http://www.diamondbackengines.com/forums/index.php/board,6.0.html

Also, you may want to chat up "panic", here on the HAMB. He's written these:
http://victorylibrary.com/POLY.htm

http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/poly-graphics.htm

~Jason

 

Interesting thread, cool engines. For my 2 cents worth, the LA heads will fit a late Poly block. I put one in a '65 Barracuda when the 273 cratered. Used the 273 cam and valve train along with the heads. Had to grind the piston tops for valve clearance, intakes only IIRC. Ended up with some serious CR, she was a premium gas machine after that, but the little 13" rear tires didn't have a chance! They made a big deal about casting that dent in the side of the 273 block to clear the steering box, but there was lots of room without it.
I've been looking for a '57 Royal HT to play with, I'd put the Poly heads and 4bbl on a 360 block. Might need custom slugs though, the CR would be pretty wimpy. 'Course, by then the gas will be 49 octane so it might work!

 

The aussies have been puting A heads on LAs, & LA heads on As.

 

Here's the thing, **** Landy's website is still up, but the company is nixed. I felt like a royal ***hole, and rightly so, when I found this out. See there's no contact information for **** Landy, so I searched for a while until I found a number on the net. It turns out, the phone number was for his daughter. And no, they're not selling poly blower kits, or anything for that matter anymore. Luckily I called her back in March, before the May 2008 issue of Street Rodder.

There was an article about the vintage Poly engines. Those idiots had an article with quite a few technical inaccuracies, and they put **** Landy Industries in the vendor information at the end of the article. So I can imagine that since the article was printed, **** Landy's daughter has had a few more phone calls about a poly blower.

So by the time I was reading the article in Street Rodder about **** Landy stocking a Poly blower, I had already exhausted that option for a blower and had moved forward.

Thanks for the information, I'm going to check out those sites when I get a spare moment. I picked up a copy of that booklet on eBay last year, it was interesting material to look at.

You wouldn't happen to have the October or November 2001 issue of Mopar Muscle, would you? I can't remember which month, but it was the 2nd part of a 2 part article about the Poly 318. I found the first part of the article, but the second part covers the buildup of a stroker poly motor.

 

Oh, damn!

Like I said, my emails with him were just before (like within a few weeks) he died, so I shelved the idea until I could get the scratch together as a sort of a "someday" kind of thing.

I'd genuinely thought they were still in business, especially in light of all the "the show must go on" stuff surrounding DLI and his boy(s) taking over the business and all, combines with the site still bring up.

And it looks like it was almost two years ago to the day that I last corresponded to **** - six months before he died. I was off there a little but, too! LOL!

Anyway, here's the contact info I had:

> On 7/4/06 8:13 PM, "**** Landy" < ****landy@dlandy.com > wrote:
>
> > Please call, we don't quote via email.
> >
> > D. Landy
> >
> > **** Landy Industries
> > 19743 Bahama Street
> > Northridge, CA 91324-3304
> > Phone: 1.818.341.4143 - Pacific Standard Time
> > Fax: 1.818.341.9564

****'s brother Mike's neighbor posted a "if you want his info, email me" posts at this thread: http://forums.moparmusclemagazine.com/70/6605680/general-mopar-discussion/mike-landy/index.html

But the one you want to talk to is his youngest, Robert. He's the one to convince to make you an intake.

Sorry if I steered you wrong.

By the way, attached is that article - hope that makes up for it!

~Jason

 

Lots of Aussies into 'em too, I've noticed.

Too right!

~Jason

 

so.....i have a 65 fury.....motors a lil leaky......can a modern era 318 bolt right in with no fab? and if so....what yrs of modern 318?