Projects our newest project "LET THE BEATINGS BEGIN!"

I can't wait to see it when it's done!! You'll get nothin but kudos from me on this one!

 

Am I the only one panting to see your first build report? The shit storm seems to of at least started to subside, so............................have you got the frame done yet?

Frank

 

thats a cool project

 

Lets see some new pics. I see the pics of the frame from the car before but this one is pretty nice. we need updates

 

sorry for starting this thread so soon,we have to build a new 33-34 frame jig.before this project,we used the back side of our 32 jig to build 33-34 frames.we currently have a 32 frame in the works,so we need to build a jig just for 33-34 frames.

stay tuned,it only gets better.

-danny

 

I've passed through the 'Gates of Doom' and am standing in the darkest part of "MORDOR".

The sad fact that you expected to be chastised only diminishes you in my eyes. Your lame corruption of the George Washington epithet "I cannot tell a lie" morphed into "let the beatings begin" distinguishes you as a true
"owner operator", (slang over here for WANKER), which in turn is slang for masturbator. Now that I've called you that three times, lets continue.

Hey, here's an idea for the sadly ambitious but seriously untalented. Take one near perfect 70 plus year old car (btw they ain't makin' 'em anymore), and butcher it, and while your'e about it lets see if you can turn the money you paid for the car, plus the money your'e about to spend fucking it over into a loss and turn the car into something ugly.

Many here would have no objection to your proposal being done to a car of a much lesser quality, but to purposely seek out a car that has probably been restored with such care and love, and then vandalise it really is the mark, of a barbarian.

Yes, yes, much tut tutting has been heard about 'it's your car and you can do what you like', however if we all just accepted that argument at face value we would by default also be nothing more than barbaric.
To take my argument into a larger realm, we are able to drink fresh water,
walk though unspoiled land, gaze and ponder and monuments natural and man-made, because those who had gone before (and those who argue now) had the foresight to recognise their importance. Not just for the here and now, but also for the future. Who dosn't turn their head when an interesting car drives by?
Who can agree with the proposition that everything before us "is grist to the mill"? To be used up or destroyed because it can be.

Even the lunatics among us recognise somethings must remain untouched. Who among us would sell the last of the freshwater, the last forest or mountain, or a monument of national importance, to one who would
profit from it, and in doing so would destroy it.

Yes, yes, it's just one car. But now it will be one car less. Mr Ford, genius that he was, does not make these cars anymore. Of course there are plenty in museums, and rightfully so. This particular car has registration plates, this car can be driven, who among us would ignore such a car as it drove by? This is our conundrum, by it's very rarity it turns heads when driven. If it were not rare would we give it a second glance? When we see another type of car pass us by, a Hot Rod, Custom, et al, do we not also turn our head, are not the interpretations and induvidual expressions of the customisers art also noteworthy? The answer of course is yes. Yes to the concept and design of the builder/ creator. Yes to the many and complex decisions that are made to bring this creation to life. Yes to the fellowship that encourages and exists to make this possible, Yes to the society and culture that allows these acts of creation to be so.

But would we sacrifice our freshwater, a mountain, a monument, to someone who proposed to alter them on a whim, or to realise an artistic
idea or dream, or perhaps simply 'because I want too"? Would we sacrifice these things? and if not why not?

This car is Henry Fords car, it is a twentieth century design classic.
It's engineering was unsurpassed in it's bold concept to create what was hitherto very expensive, to no less transform the technology available at that time, affordable only to the 'well off' into a technology for the ordinary man. And in so doing Henry Ford changed the world.

Ford made a lot of these cars, most have not survived. The desirability and the scarcity of bodies has directly led to the rightful reproduction of the 'design classic' body, and the auto and engineering supply industries that reproduce nearly everything required to build your own design classic. These industries by their very existance tell us demand has exceeded supply. This in turn sould serve as an indicator, a warning that such cars that do survive are worthy of the greatest consideration when one is contemplating the alteration or modification of a classic car.

As I said earlier I have no objection to the hot rodders art being performed on cars that are not pristine or close to it. Most older rods have been constructed from older cars in the days when the cars were plentiful and cheap. Indeed many cars were saved from oblivion because the hot rodder was able to see beyond it's present state and imagine the car in another life, and express his art and skill to make it so.

I am not one for mothballing everything old in museums, we are all impoverished, we are all diminished if we cannot experiance the head turning thrill of one of henrys finest pass us by on the streets where we
live.

Thank you.

 

Phew!

 

I agree with fe26 entirely. I am 22 and you just don't see old iron pristine anymore. You guys destroyed a true piece of americana. You did not improve as far as I am concerned. Go f up a reproduction or basket case car not a restored original. You robbed Peter to pay Paul. GOOD JOB.

 

Sorry to break it to you dude, but it isn't "back in the day" anymore... (there's spell-check now... try it) These things aren't EVERYWHERE in nice condition for $35 like they were then. I agree that then they started with the best car they could find and make it look good and go fast, etc., but come on! With this guy's funds, there are a number of other cars with decent sheet-metal out there that could be rodded without ruining something quite THIS nice. I'm nauseated after seeing what these guys are starting with and destroying. There's re-pop stuff out there that will look just the same when done, or these things called "Swap Meets" where people can gather decent parts and make a nice hotrod from said parts. Some people have more money than sense, and apparently less respect for the preservation of something genuine. The owner of this car is, in my opinion, an asshole gold-chainer that wants to fit in... AND it's going to be a fucking STREET ROD! 3" exhaust, SBF, Wilwood disc brakes.. WTF! It would be a hot rod with a drop axle, multiple carbs on the flatty, lightened up (spare, fenders, horns, etc.) and the rest left alone. I would gladly beat this guy up.

I'll look for it in Street Rodder... on second though, no I won't. Maybe we should start a new magazine called "Destroying History With Reckless Abandon Because I Have Money And I Can (and I'm too lazy to build my own)" or "Look At Me- I'm a Talentless Rich Bastard". Also, if I were the builder, I would tell this guy to jam it up his ass before even thinking about touching it. Money talks; what DO consciences and souls go for nowadays..?

What's next... a mustache on the Mona Lisa?

Ok... Off to puke...

Jonny

 

I think it was a gorgeous car that should have stayed that way... I believe that hot rods should be earned not made from restored or unrestored beauties..

 

Big mouth for your 3rd post Weeks46. And your 'hilarious with attitude' sig is just as bad.

 

My thoughts exactly. A nice car, I'll be excited to see it when it's done.. I kinda like the color it is, too. That and the dash isn't half bad either..

 

I think its cool when you start with something lesser, and build something better, but when you start w/something that is already nice and discard 90% of it, what the hell was the point w/starting with something nice??????

I've been building for customers for only 15 years, and I have dealt w/the ones that throw stupid money at a car, and realize they are always only doing to be cool for that short while (insert the gold chainer remark at this time).

Yea, its his car he can do what he wants, I know bla,bla,bla.......whatever, thats not my point.

Its obvious the customer is a dumbass, but more impotantly you guys running the shop dont look like the brightest, or just trying to stroke your own ego with customers that have more money than sense, hence posting with such a heading, "LET THE BEATINGS BEGAIN!"

I dont care how nice of a car you can build, as a shop owner I like to feel that my customers are making smart decisions. Sometimes that means telling the customer no! Yea, I know that word is unheard of for alot of shops.

Discarding 90% of a nice car is just beyond stupid. Sure you can sell what parts that are not going to be used, and get back some cash, but not enough to make up what that car cost I'm sure, unless it was just damn cheap to begain with. Even if the car free it would have made more sense to get a body, and leave a complete car that nice to someone who would have enjoyed it, and not cannibolize it and discard much of the original car so in the end they can say -Yea, look what we started with.......

Just so they can try to fit in and look cool.

That goes for the shop, as well as the customer!!!

 

"FE26 - The sad fact that you expected to be chastised only diminishes you in my eyes. Your lame corruption of the George Washington epithet "I cannot tell a lie" morphed into "let the beatings begin" distinguishes you as a true
"owner operator", (slang over here for WANKER), which in turn is slang for masturbator. Now that I've called you that three times, lets continue."

I have never wanted to drop a Bomb on a jackasses house more in my life! To make a well articulated argument is one thing but to slam the guy in such a fashion makes you a jackass in my book.

New fan Danny! I alway wondered if I had the money and the talent to build something I wanted that may not fit the HAMB rules or credo 100 percent would I be welcome. I think I now have my answer. I love the post where they slam you for discarding the original parts when if someone reads they will see where the parts are going to go to someone who needs them and is restoring a car.

Make us losers proud. Build it!

 

So will it (the car) be a Hot Rod or a Street Rod?

 

now ,y'all know why i left ...hahah

nice street rod .

 

Why? Because stock sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think littleman hit the nail on the head with what he said.

 

danny,
great project, cant wait to see some more progress. thanks for posting and taking a beating by some on here. thankfully we are all different and have different tastes and opinions. and i guess some are forgetting you are just doing what your customer wants and is paying for. good on you.
Al.

 

Shame on you!!

You must enjoy pulling the wings off butterflies, pushing little old ladies down flights of stairs and stealing bottles from babies.

That car survived the Depression, WWII, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s but not Your Texas torch.

 

About Fe26

<DL class="list_no_decoration profilefield_list"><DT class=shade>Location <DD>Sydney Australia <DT class=shade>Occupation <DD>Blacksmith <DT class=shade>Cars <DD>1938 Ford deluxe coupe
1935 Ford pickup

<DT class=shade>Car Club <DD>EFV8Club of America <DT class=shade>Biography <DD>I have owned and had an interest in early ford v8's since 1969, I am not a hot rodder but I do like the new HAMB class
dragsters. I might even build one, I may not wait till I'm old and silly- but it may help.

</DD></DL>





i was wondering what was going on in your head,so i looked at your profile,now i know.i see that you are a restorer kind of guy,and "not a hot rodder".like i have stated before,there are indications car was a hot rod before.prior motor mounts have been removed,rust has been repaired,rear frame horns have been rewelded on,and from what i can tell,some rather ugly tail light holes have been welded up.in my own twisted mind i am restoring this car,except back to a hot rod.


you say that you are a blacksmith.have you ever taken something from a raw state and molded it into something better? .i know that you don't see it that way,but i strive to do the same thing.

i knew i would get hate mail over this project,hense the title,but i never expected being called a "nazi",or an ausie "wanker". your "war and peace" sized reply may have impressed someone,but not me.

thank you for atempting to put me in my place,you have given me the fuel to make this project the best HOT ROD i can build.

HOWDY FROM TEXAS.

-DANNY

 

it didn't survive the 50's & 60"s, it used to be a hot rod.come on,follow the bouncing ball.

-danny

 

Can't wait to see progress pics on this! By the way I like your signature!

 

Fe26 must like typing. A lot. Glad he's not a hot rodder.

 

AMEN! Thank you!

The whole "more money than brains" comment really rubs me the wrong way. I have yet to meet a wealthy man that wasn't very intelligent, and I've met plenty of wealthy people. Its the people who don't have the brains needed to make the money, who make such comments.

 

Hello Danny,

"LET THE BEATINGS BEGIN"

"i can feel it coming. bring it on!"

Are these your words to this forum?
Are these words an invitation to beat you (verbally that is)?

I have assumed they are.
Why then, do you object to those of us who admonish you, at your invitation?

I called you a wanker largely in part because of your 'hairy chested gloating about the fate of that car, and your pride in the process'
You let your ego get in the way. The egotistical boast to us can be interpeted as, I am the great builder of cars, and the proof of that is...
guys bring cars like this to me to work with. So I'm the king of the castle, and I don't give a rats arse about anyone who disagrees with me.

Danny, your invitation was accepted, why do you now complain?
I am a little perplexed in attributing to me, that I called you a Nazi.

Actually, I'm glad you put my profile up, allow me to explain; Yes I have two stock standard EFV8's one restored, one original except for the '51' Merc motor. Since joining the HAMB I have bought a '36' pickup which I'm going to rod. It'll be a nostalgia thing for me, (the kind of rod us kids made back in the sixties with little money and silver paint for chrome). This time around I want the same era style, except I'll turn it into a roadster pickup
with the '51' merc all dressed up, big and little wire wheels, 2" chop in the ragtop, dropped front axle and reversed eye springs (a doddle for a blacksmith) but I'll keep the flathead running gear, a '39' gearbox and perhaps a quickchange rear end. Paint will be black, a black so black you'll want to fall into it, and.... you guessed it... Flames. (OMG how will I ever show my face again at a EFV8 meet). Flames of darker than dark silver, very subtle flames, the kind of flames you see on the second look.
So you see having one type of car doesn't separate you from having other types of cars. I like both. I won't bore you anymore with talking about cars or the radical bikes I will build in my semi-retirement. Lets continue.

Yes Danny, almost any act of blacksmithing starts with raw bar stock or Ingots and is turned into something better, be it an Industrial Forging, an automotive part, or something artistic. The blacksmiths enjoyment in and of his work is hard-won, for the blacksmith creates something from a simple round or square bar, from almost nothing with form or shape, into something quite different, and he is right to be pleased with the result.

So, you wern't impressed by the War and Peace sized reply. You don't have to be, if you like it can be critised, actually, I'm a little surprised it hasn't been. Only the petty personal attacks have been disapointing, not for the reason of causing any distress to me but more that they are a stupid reaction to what I say rather than a reasoned well put reply.

Others on this forum think highly of your trade skills and artistic ability. So the 'sour grapes' in your closing remake are silly. You of all people should know that nothing artistic is or can be built or created with negative thoughts coursing through your system. The artistic response or process is negated and the results are an obvious travesty and corruption of the artist and his audience. The fuel you claim will inspire you to create the best Hot Rod you can will prove to be very expensive when you realise it's the kind of 'fuel' that takes you one step forward, and two steps back.

I'll close by restating your invitation for admonishment was accepted.
You are not obliged to agree with or accept my argument for the saving of worthy cars for posterity.
Your sour grapes were nothing more than sour grapes. You will take encouragment from your friends and the fellow travellers of this forum who agree with and support you with this project, and in doing so you will use that positive energy to create the car you want to create.
I and others here don't agree with your and your customers modus- operandi, but do agree with your proposed end result, and that is our right. Just don't fuc-it-up.

Gidday from Sydney,

Phil

 

fe 26,you didn't call me a nazi.it was another hamber that did.sorry for the confusion.it is good to hear that you are planning a hotrod.when you cut the roof off that truck cab,think of me.

please post some pictures,so we all can enjoy.

make shure you send some to, www.efv8.org that would really be funny.

-danny

 

though you are not the first to use this excuse, just the last that I'm using as a quote...

this is the lamest, most idiotic reason to do anything in the world. If one is so poverty stricken that they must do what the customer wants to make money, knowing it is wrong (key phrase here) then that person should go to Walmart and get a job as a door greeter if pleasing is what you want to be. This is quite a defense for a murderer for hire...I'm just doing what the customer paid me to do...

Or the drug dealer...

Or...

Or...

Danny is a fine builder putting out some great stuff. I'm sure this will be a fine piece of machinery when it leaves his shop. No doubt his customer will be happy with the end result and Danny will make loads of money. That is NOT the question most are disturbed by.

Are we better because we CAN do something? Or are we better because we DON'T do what we CAN do for the right reasons.

Name calling aside, do we really need another street rod? Come on down to nifty fiftees any Saturday night and you'll see 20 nearly identical to the one that Danny's going to "create".

I know the car will be a finely crafted piece of machinery, a street rod which will be displayed and driven on occasion, much like the many other street rods in resale red it will sit against. We will also never see this original car on the road again and that, in itself, is a shame.

 

That's because you're only 24 and haven't lived very much life yet. FYI, the world is FULL of people who have money and no brains...

a few examples...

Brittany Spears
Paris Hilton
?? Rockefeller

The world's full of em, you see them every day on the tube. Never equate having money with having brains, there's no real link between the two.

 

Chad,

Besides, Paris, Brittany, etc... Take a look at any 10 of the players in the NBA sometime.

I would take a fair guess that at least 2 out of those 10 are a true tesimony to "more money than brains" (just do a google on how much Shaq's been spending on gas lately)!

Oh, by the way, teachers make very little money for what we do... guess we don't have the brains, huh?

 

I can see where you are going with your comment, but I don't think you know exactly where this project is going in detail, and apparently you are local to Danny, but are not familiar with the kind of cars they build. They don't build many street rods, mostly hot rods. When you are at the niftee fiftees show on saturday night you will notice a car built by them over just another ordinary red street rod. Just wait until the finished product comes out and you will realize that it is a very dependable, drivable car that compliments our hot rodding past.
Sean