Photos and the Friday Art Show

Not to stir up too much crap but how are photos taken at car shows considered *art*?

To me the Friday Art Show is all about the artists on this board - the way they work their magic with paint, pens, pencils, computer graphics, etc., astounds me. Their creativity (of which I have none) astounds me.

I can even understand photos being considered art when the photographer is involved in the staging of the car for the photo - but to wander through a show snapping photos and then posting them in the Friday Art Show as an *art* contribution just doesn't seem right to me. For me they take away from the show, not add anything to it.

Am I wrong?

 

I'd suggest closing this before it starts. That's what I think.

 

Why is anything considered "art" ?

 

photography like every other form of art is subjective. What one person sees as art may be just a boring picture to someone else. Who is to say its not art I am sure people look at my stuff and say its not art its just pictures........but hey to each his own

 

many photos are not art. I've seen some that are not even good photos get posted.

here's a photo.. is it art? I'd never post this in the art show.

 

I'd say no... just a photo.

now it's art, but still a photo. where do you draw the line?

 

Art photo

 

There used to be a Wednesday photo show. Haven't seen it in a while. I kinda miss it.

 

Art doesn't and can't have rules. That's why it's art.

 

Then WHY even ask the question here if you don't want to "stir up too much crap"...???

R-

 

Once it went through photoshop, the picture became art. At this stage here (to me) its a photo of Rolling Art. The CAR is pure art, but its just a picture OF that art.
Pimp the photo up with Photoshop and THEN it becomes art, so since I never gave it much thought, I'd have to agree with the originator of this thread.
But like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that saying could very well apply to 'art' as well.

 

Depends upon how you define art. Painting, drawing, photography, sculpture, prints, how about the occasional logo design, who is to say what is included and what isn't.

A bit off topic but Robert Bateman is shunned by the art community because his paintings are produced from photo references and are created for commercial purposes instead of being some artistic impression. But art or no art he's still pretty damn talented.

 

I have an Idea? why dosen`t somebody do a Friday photo art show.I my self think there should be a seprate post for photography,Thats just my 2 cts.Or just leave it up to the MODERATORS to deside..................

 

The object of the question was to find out if anyone else thought that photos seemed out of place in the *art show*. Maybe I should have polled the group, not asked a question.

That's a great idea...must have been before my time on here.

See above...I agree. Leave the art show for the artists like Jigger, Pacheco, Gary C., fiftyfiveford, flyingpolack, CraigR, J Cruz, Fowler5, etc., the pinstripers, the photo shoppers and anyone else who actually manipulates the media to create the art and let the photographers have their own *Friday Photo Album*.

Just my '2 cents'.....

 

How about.....

Tongue firmly inserted in cheek.....

Monday Photo Show,

Tuesday Pinstriping show,

Wednesday Painting (real, not computer generated) Show,

Thursday Computer Generated Show

Friday 'everything else Show

I like the mix the way it is...the Friday Art Show is just that....a show, and remember its FREE....so enjoy it

Some 'artists' on this board have my photo's on their walls...as art...I have no talent with anything but a camera (so people tell me)....Till I do, I'll keep posting on a Friday

 

My opinion is art is art....illustration, oil & acrylic painting, digital media, pencil drawings, pinstriping (takes some talent!), airbrush, auto painting or photography! I do not mind seeing artistic photography on the show.
Though I agree with VF, it would be cool as hell to have a photography only show....where you would scroll through page after page of high end photographs.
Next Friday (Early Thursday) someone should start a photography show, see where it goes.
My two cents.
-Gabe

 

I shot this at a car show:




Than manipulated it in Photoshop to this:



Is either one art?

I like to think they both are but I'll defer to the group opinion.

 

I also think art is like pornography, I can't define it but I know it when I see it!

Art is art. The medium used makes no difference.

 

So you're saying this photo that I shot at Paso won't become art until I photochop it all to hell?



That makes me sad, people have paid good money to own a print of this image (an 11x14 print went over $200 in a HAMB auction) and now they're going to be pissed that they didn't buy art.

A camera is a tool just like a pen, brush, welder or computer. In the hands of an artist, they can make art. In the hands of an amateur, well sometimes they just make a mess..

At the same time, owning the tools doesn't necessarily make you an artist.

 

I can draw a car ok, but I couldn't take a picture like that ^^^ to save my life. You can't say pencils = art.. photos = not art, it's not that simple.

and filtering a photo with photoshop does not make it art.

 

That's not what I said. If you re-read my original post I said: "I can even understand photos being considered art when the photographer is involved in the staging of the car for the photo - but to wander through a show snapping photos and then posting them in the Friday Art Show as an *art* contribution just doesn't seem right to me. For me they take away from the show, not add anything to it."

Yes, I could consider your photo artistic...but I also think it would be better in a category of it's own.

 

this is not art. it is not even a good photo since you cut off a chunk of the car.

 

Some of the photos that make their way into the art show are not what I would consider art but photography is definitely an art form...with the proper composition, exposure, etc you can have something magnificent...example given the photography/art of Ansel Adams...for awhile back in the 90's you couldn't go into a department store or your neighbor's house for that matter and not see one of his prints hanging on the wall...but I agree I would be damn sure that the photo I am submitting qualifies as something above the average snapshot from the local cruise

 

Very sticky situation indeed! I personally wouldn't mind seeing a photography thread but at the same time, I think these photos are definitely a form of art (some better than others), and I think I would miss seeing it in the friday art show. I got "talked to" by a fellow jockey journal board member about posting anything that wasn't bike related which pissed me off. (He didn't think my car and van shit was relevant enough for the jockey board which I think is ridiculous.)

It's not like there is limited space for everyone to show there work so why exclude anyone. Art is relative and is "art " as soon as I call it that. Regardless of others opinions towards the work. Any work done by car or bike enthusiasts on these boards is inspiring to me and thats what I think these boards should be about.

 

Art to me is taking something that is common, ie drawing, photography, painting, paper mache', paper and glue, coputer generated images, modeling clay, or dog shit for that matter, and bringing the not so common out of it. The artists tastes, talent, and eye should be evident and I think that can happen in any medium. When it speaks to you it becomes art, even if it isn't saying the same thing to everyone.

 

So let's see yours.

Would you like it better cropped tighter like this?




The point of the photo was not to show the entire car but the play of light on the backs of the cars through the trees.

Art or not is a very, very subjective thing.

 

'finger- That photoshop comment was aimed at 49ratfink and 2002p51 more than at you. I agree with you about snapshots not being posted as art. Bad composition is still bad, photoshopped or not.

But to imply that a photographer doesn't manipulate the medium? That's just ignorant. And an insult.

I make many choices when I'm shooting a car. Composition. Exposure. Lens selection. Proper shutter speed is critical when shooting motion if you want a blurred background. Aperture (depth of field) can be used to emphasize a detail. When shooting on location, I select the time of day that I shoot so as to get the highest quality of light on the vehicle and I position the vehicle to take advantage of the available light. In studio, lighting is 100% on me to create.

Before digital made it so easy, a photographer would manipulate the density of the latent image through exposure (Ansel Adams and his Zone System) and could further manipulate the density and contrast of the negative during processing and again in the darkroom during printing.

If you're not taking these factors into consideration when making a photo then you're not a photographer, you're just a jerk with a camera.

Artists make photos, amateurs take photos.

This stuff doesn't happen with the camera set to 'auto'.







someone has to push the button..

 

So let's see yours.

check out your Traditional Rod & Kulture #8 page 36, and #12 page 36.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278760

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272556

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267949

 

If you're not taking these factors into consideration when making a photo then you're not a photographer, you're just a jerk with a camera.

while 99.9% of my event photos are not really art, I still consider myself a photographer. perhaps you'd like to rethink the jerk with a camera comment.

 

Mine? OK.

The Rodder's Journal #30 p.114, #33 p.94, #36 p.76, #38 p.8

should I continue?

Most of my show shots are far from art but I still take those factors into account when I make them.

I stand by my original statement.

By the way, congratulations on being published.

edit: I just realized you wanted to see my show coverage. You'll have to go dig through your R&C archives from 2000-2003. I haven't published any show shots since I started freelancing.