I have a fetish for old 12 spoke Americans and wanna put a set on a street car. Alas the question about front brakes. Is there such a thing as front brakes on spindle mount wheels for the street?
Root, Check out the new Rod and Kulture cool products page. RadirWheels 12 spoke available for Ford, Chevy and Total Performance spindles. Spindle mount set up for disc brakes. Polished or natural.
Read the post boys. I've only seen one car in a picture that had front brakes on mag 12 spokes. There was a car around here that had a set that were obviously home made from cycle brakes with the rotor on the outside. I've heard halibrand had made ther later spindles mounts with provisions for brakes but never seen them apart to see how they did.
it's been done .....usually requires fabbing a adapter hat/ spacer to bolt the rotor to.....i have a pair of the then new halibrand 5 spoke spindle mounts.....they have this spacer/adapter cast into them.....magnum offers a disk kit for these wheels.....though a little pricy....you could use a single or dual piston caliper and a solid rotor.....brandon
I've seen one car with billet adapters that had six pockets that interlocked with the spokes on the backside of the hub... I can't remember if they were held on with bolts threaded into the hubs, or if they'd machined/threaded the outer surface of the hub somehow to allow attachment. Well, it's an idea.
I have a set of American 12 spokes that were drilled and tapped to bolt on a disk. They came with a car I bought.I also have the calipers, disks and brackets from total performance that came with em... Spindle mounts shouldn't show disks. Run a drive line disk set up like the monster trucks.. 13" motorcycle disk modded with a custom bracket that mounts to calipers. Clean look, hids underneath car with lots of stopping power. EVILT
A "drive line disk set up" on a 2wd would be pretty dag-gone close to spindle mounts on the front and disks on the back wouldn't? I see the ability to do this on a 4x4(front and rear), just not rwd. pugsley
Stole these from the Radir site. Wilwood makes some rotors that look like they could be made to work.
There's some guys with a shop down Tucson way that showed up in Phoenix with this hiboy 32 and spindle mounts (the early ones, funny car style). Seemed really thought out and beefy. They used Buell rotors and (I think) Halibrand single puck calipers. The beefy part was the bracket that held the caliper. The one in this pic looks WAY teensy weensy. Think about it, would you take your hand and grab hold of that rotor to stop the car? Of course not, well, that bracket does not appear much stronger than someone's wrist. Wish I had a good pic of the Tucson boy's set up. Any local guys on here seen this car, have a pic? PM me for a guy's name and number that can point you in the right direction. Not sure he wants his info out in cyberspace, otherwise I'd put it right here. He has written an article as well as performed this trick a number of times with early spindle mount wheels. It involves a machined hub that is mated to the surfaced snout on the backside of the wheel.
I wish I had better pics Jeem, but I believe Anthony's car is the one you are referring too? Thanks to Hi Speed Customs and DRD57 for the pics. -Ryan .
You know I hate the look of a disc brake behind and old Magnesium wheel but I don't see any other way out. As far as a driveline disc, that seems that it would only work well if it could stop all 4 wheels. Otherwise the rotating m*** would all be on the rear wheels. I'll study all of the pics and see what I can figure out. Thanks for the input.
Why not get really trick and run magnetic brakes up front... You might as well give people something to scratch their heads about if you are gonna run brakes on wheels not designed for them... I have seen these wheels shattered from the braking force applied to the hub. The hub area on the old spindle mounts is prettty thin.. If you are actually going to do it, go with the radirs. They are designed to have the brakes... EVILT The driveline disk helps pull down your speed by braking the engine rpm. before the gear reduction of the rear end... It does work.. Yes, not as efficient as front brakes but better than just rears alone...
another thing you could check.....et is getting ready to release their version of the halibrand sprint spindle mount......it may already be out....pretty sure they have the provision for a brake on them.......as for brakes on the spindle mounts....they probably shouldn't be you primary stoppers......a couple guys i have talked to that ran disk on them told me ....with the tiny spot calipers ....they are more of a holding brake at a light....than a stopping brake....so in other words....your not going to be able to drive hard into the corner....and expect them to survive....lol brandon
I'll have some real world road tests for you on this one pretty soon. We are putting discs on the '33 with old americans. I don't have any pics right now, but I will forward some when I do. Doc.
the buell rotors are the best way to go on an aluminum spindle mount wheel. with the rotor mounted to the outside it does not put the stress on the spokes like a hub mounted rotor. been thinking of doing this for some time ever since i bought a buell with this rotor set up. lots of them for sale on ebay at a cheap price.
Motorcycle guys have been doing the perimeter brake set up for a little while now. It does work well. I would trust it more than a hub mounted disk on a magnesium wheel. You are applying the force on the outer edge of the rotating m***. much less leverage on attaching points. You can check out Billy Lane's Choppers inc. or Young's hot rods and choppers websites for pics.. EVILT
will the motorcycle disc brakes work on a 17" spindle mount or will it only work on the smaller spindle mount wheels??
Anglia or Ford style spindle? I guess either one is possible. Fords should be pretty easy. A lot of the new altereds run disc brake setups with Strange spindles. Strange will weld "ears" on the spindles for Wilwood disc brakes for a nominal fee. Larry T
every pro drag race car today has spindle mount wheels with dics brakes except T/F as well as alot of the sportsman cl***es
the 2003 and newer buells have a 17" front wheel. the major work will be welding mounting pads to the rim to mount the rotor
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