Projects What I have been working on for the last 5+ weeks...

It's possible. It's usually done with EFI with special , gaseous injectors.

Thanks,
Kurt

 

Actually it is the bottom floor of a TV production building. They are using the top and the owner (who is coverting a Porshe 911 to electric) loaned the space since the other guy is helping with the 911 conversion. I wish I had all my tools there but the space is really nice.

 

Do you anticipate 1,000lb torque twisting that frame up or breaking the 3rd member?
How do you control the "launch" with an electric?
Cool project. Good luck and let us know how the race turns out.

 

At the current setup, we don't think the motor is producing this amount but is the max available it could do. Biggest limitations is battery output. I do anticipate blowing the diff if we can get it to hook up. The tires on it are old and don't stick well. We just got our M/T drag slicks yesterday so we hope we can get it to hook better. I guess we'll find out. As for launching, there is no loading up or slipping clutch. It's on the brake, on the gas. I think I am going to two foot it, light with the left on the brake and ease out of the hole then hammer it. We can reprogram the controller for two stage so max output would be anywhere lower then 100% and then let it hit after moving. Going to be a learning experience.

I will surely update everyone next week. Heck this point I am hoping to be ready. Still have a lot of details to finish.

 

Wouldn't it look funny with a Honda generator on the back to charge it?



~Jason

 

Awesome build! This car is kind of similar to these electric motorcycles that are being built by VECTRIX. I worked there when I was on the east coast. I worked there fabricating in the early days of the company before they were selling to the public. It was a great job, and it turned out a great product. The bikes are top notch with quality suspension, brembo brakes, perelli tires etc. The bikes can do burn outs, they go 60mph and are fast off the line. They are using a re-generative motor that is built into the rear wheel. Nickel hydride batteries too. check them out online.
I cant wait to hear about the race!
-chris

 

Your forgetting that many power plants use fossil fuels to fire them. And they still pollute. You gotta charge the batteries.

 

I do believe the Daytona65 run at Barona is on youtube.

 

yeah , i know..i was being sarcastic

i here the words "non-polluting" electric cars sometimes from uniformed people and it pisses me off. where do they think the power come from to charge the batteries?


not trying to knock his work , it looks like an interesting project.....but it makes me wonder 20-30 miles of driving and then you have to charge for 4-5 hours at 220 volts , 8-10 hours on 110...how much does that electricity cost? don't tell me wind or solar is the answer

 

The electricity costs a lot less than the gasoline would.

While this is a neat project, it's not practical transportation to replace your gas powered daily driver.

 

Remember Guys, Henry Ford started with a idea that seemed pretty far fetched at the time...
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, this kind of stuff is probably in our future sooner than we think. The more big companies get behind this technology, the cheaper this stuff will be, and the farther we will go on a charge.
Do you think Halibrand will still be around in 25 years selling a "quick charge" rearend...

 

Why not solar ??...put a full system on the roof with storage batteries under the house. Use your own batteries to charge the car and run your house.

 

i dont know if anybody caught the s/10 pickup on passtime show on speedchannel a few weeks ago , it was electric powered. if im not mistaken it ran mid 10 sec 1/4 mile times, full steel body, and did one hell of a burnout! ah yes the times are changing, my battery charger can kick the shit out of your battery charger!

 

I'f you're running the Zilla 2K you'll likely get more than the 1000 ft/lbs you estimate. Here's our motor setup. I was estimating 1000 ft-lbs and we dyno'd at 1260 ft-lbs from a 20mph rolling start. We are currently featured as "Car of the Month" on www.dragtimes.com

Don't need no stinking tranny either ;-) 1260 ft-lbs gets us 1.69 second 60 ft times and we can top out well over 127 mph with the 3.25 in the Ford 9" rear end. We finish the 1/4 mile around 105 mph. OK, no tranny, but maybe a 2 speed gear box or electric shift overdrive unit would be in order.

Oh yeah, good luck at the races this weekend
I really think the 'T' is an excellent platform for an electric.

 

Bout time.

I have been doing electric vehicles for the last 15 years. It seems that their time is coming but its not quite here yet.

The problem is with the battery...... and its allways the battery. When you have problems with an electric motor/controler/battery drive system, its allways the battery. Remember, it only has one moving part..

I helped build an electric Ford Tarus to race in the production 4 door class at bonniville about 11 years ago. We used 4 8" diameter motors and a 1400 amp controller. We twisted several sets of axles, each replacement was of a higher quality, untill we got to the point we couldnt break them... we thought. Made the run at the salt no problem, set the record, then twisted the axles, again, loading the car on the trailer.

Its kind of spooky, no noise and tons of torque.

Cool project, good luck.

 

Dude, that is freakin' sweet. We have thought about dual motors but figure we better start with one. LOL I believe we are using a Zilla 2K. I am interested in getting it on the dyno down the road. I really think our biggest problem will be getting it to hook up. Hopefully the M/T Drags will help a lot.


To everyone, thanks for the support. I honestly thought I would get flamed because it's fiberglass and electric but I am really taken back. I know it's not the same a traditional hot rods... which is why I have my '30 Model A sedan body waiting in the wings for a traditional build.

 

Yeah I've been watching you guys racing electrics for a few years now and tried to pick up on all the breakage. We went straight out with a Ford 9" racing axle from Dutchman's. Strange 'N' Case, 35 spline axles and Detroit Locker. We shouldn't break it with the measly half a megawatt we're making from the controller. But like you say, backing it up the trailer could teach us somthing new.

Mike,
Hooking up with that much torque and a light car will be a problem. We have 840 lbs of lead (batteries) to keep the rear tires pressed down a little, but it still gets away sometimes. Since we have no tranny there is no feathering the clutch. Just jam the pedal and keep dropping aire pressure until it hooks. Good luck.

Mike

 

I think this is cool and can't wait till we have solar on our roof and we can plug our cars in and use them as dailys... course i'll be dead by then.

 

to the fellas poo pooing solar check this out

http://www.solarvan.co.uk/index.htm

later jim

 

What a cool build.....thanks for sharing and keep us updated....

 

...also check out the pork tacked onto the new congressional "bailout" plan. You'll be able to get up tp $7500 tax credit on production electric vehicles and more incentives to put solar on your house. So to bring us back on topic of HotRodding check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMGomFODHk0 .

And not to hi-jack Mike's thread....I hope he posts some videos of his Electric T

So would that be an E.T. ? , heh heh.

Mike

 

F-cking awesome!!!

I am actually working on building a 1926 Model T roadster into an electric. Looks like I'll have to switch bodies now.

We want to see more pictures of the car!!!

To answer Cleatus' question on the launch, The motor controller is actually pulse width modulated and basically turns on and off somewhere between 5,000 and 0 times per second and helps to control the application of the motors power.

With the specs I have worked up I can get 60 miles of range and 65mph.

As maddog said, the problem is with the battery.

 

That battery comment is so true, I was involved in the build of the electric Commodore Genral Motors (Holden) did for the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, back then the batteries filled the boot.

 

from the link: "Solar power currently provides about 10% of the daily energy"

long ways to go.

 

Solar (and wind) at home, at the refueling station, and out in the desert, not on the cars themselves.

Thanks,
Kurt

 

For those of us that want to build one of these cars, could someone post a link to a forum/writup that would give us information on what kind of specs a moter needs? What kind of controller, and the prosses of setting them up.

I have been involved in racing R/C cars for a long time and I understand Batteries and motor winds. But the controler was always just a plug in deal. I never had to understand how it worked because I just plugged it in and it worked.

 

There is so much information out there it might be better to start with the specific application you have in mind. Do you want to maximize range as a daily driver, or do you want door slamming, neck breaking torque for racing a rod?

You could as a start (for daily driver types) look through the Electric Auto Association's links page
http://www.eaaev.org/eaalinks.html

Or for racing types take a look through the National Electric Drag Racing Associations records and see what folks are running http://www.nedra.com/

Also you could look through the EVAlbum at http://www.evalbum.com/ use the search feature to sort by make & model or by locations near you. Most folks who post there provide private e-mail addresses you could contact them directly or hook up with them on one of the two forums I'll list below.

There is a list of links to resources about half way down the EAA page of EV Related flyers http://www.eaaev.org/Flyers/index.html

There are also several books you can get off Amazon.com one in particular that is a bit dated but still very applicable is "Convert It" by Mike Brown.

Then there are a couple really good forums at http://www.evdl.org/ and http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/

I don't want this to be off topic for this forum so I'll end with a link to another electric hot rod you may be interested in. Ken Koch's 34 Ford Roadster project can be found here http://www.evconsultinginc.com/34ford.html and I thought I heard mention of it being on the road sometime real soon.

Or Roderick Wilde's '29 Model A Roadster Lightning Rod II built in 1995 http://www.evalbum.com/46 here's video of a burnout :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W2rrk-elrg

HTH,
Mike

 

and I got slapped around for posting some rat rod pictures....?

 

Last couple days worth of work. We are getting really close but still a lot of little details to finish. Should make it.

No pulling wheelies but needed a better angle to do a couple welds.


Finished up the firewall between the interior and battery area.


Removable "Petty" bar which is installed when racing and can be removed for street use.


Well, there are others posted in the gallery but those were some of the highlights. We got today and tomorrow to get this ready...

 

Since a number of people asked, I created an account on YouTube and uploaded them. Here's the links...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdblJCM5Q8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q_HZnlTxrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCe5I6PdiPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcnMyfNppIM

Sorry for the quality, I did not set these up for YouTube, which sized them bigger then I had them. Enjoy.