I'm diggin' this Thickston thread. Sorry for a brief detour but sounds like someone might know about Gotha. I have a set of Gotha adjustable rocker arms for my '56 324 Olds. A guy in San Diego claimed to know someone who was a machinist at Gotha who said the name was pronounced "Go-tha" (as in Go-Kart), we always called them "Goth-uh" as in "Gothic",back in the 60's in Texas. Anybody have a definitive answer on the name?
Here is a real gem of a photo that did not get adaquate coverage in the original Tattersfield-Baron story. This is the inside of the Electric and Carburator Engineering Company. Using a loop on the photo copy that I have, I am 95% sure the calendar is January 1942. The 1st is on a Thursday for sure. In the display end of the counter is what is typically referred to as a pre-war Thickstun manifold, along with a six cylinder intake. Both are highly polished. On the bootom shelf on the next case is what appears to be Marvel's Mystery Oil. This is a pure classic 1940's business! Enjoy, Jay
My last piece of printed Tattersfield-Baron material. This is a very rare four-carb handout. It was very large, like 11" X 14" and was folded in half. I have a similar Thickstun piece in the same oversize format. I suspect this was a handout at shows. I will post more photos over the remainder of the week. Jay
Gotha also sold inline engine split manifold weld-in exhaust flanges, single & 2 barrel carb flanges for making multi carb intakes out of stockers, high lift rocker arms for many engines, degree wheels ... most '50s car mags have Gotha ads.
When one refers to a "pre-war Thickstun manifold" is he also including the PM-7s that were made during the war and up into 1947? If not, are there unique identifiers or dates on the "pre-war" Thickstun manifolds that differentiate them from the later 1942 - 1947 intake manifolds?
The "pre-war" intake he is talking about is very clunky compared to a PM-7. Runners are almost square-cornered inside, and the outside looks more blocky than flowing. Basically the same size as the PM-7 though.
Alcemy is absoltely right. The pre-war intake differs from the PM-7 in several ways. As noted it is very square, as pre-war patterns tended to be made. The Thickstun name is along the upper rear port runner, as opposed to being in a semi-circle mid intake on the PM-7. I am also told, but I do not have one of these intakes any longer to confirm this, that the pre-war intake spacing of the carbs does not accept the cool post-war tear-drop air cleaner. Can anyone verify this? I will be posting updates to the original Thickstun story over the holidays, which includes pre-war intake ads, as well as very rare Thicktun variations. Jay
The pre-war Thickston may be clunky internally, but I think it is a beautiful looking art deco piece as well.
As promised, here are previously unpublished shots of the Tattersfield tank, under construction at the Tattersfield home. These shots were all obtained from the Tattersfield family for the story, but most were not used. Here is what I see: Front shot: Aircraft butterfly wheel, hand pump, 8,000 Sun tach, SW winged 2 1/16 oil temp, 2 5/8 water temp and fuel oil pressure and an unidentified 2 1/16 fuel pressure gauge. Also a SHARP block-letter gas pedal. Rear shot: Obviously Tattersfield Baron heads and 4 carb intake, twin Wico magnetos, hydraulic (presumably aircraft) throttle. Note how the louver pattern is spaced to avoid the inner ribs of the belly tank and how the skin was split and rolled upward, with a piece attached to create the headrest and wing. Very fancy aluminum work, but remember, they were in the aircraft business. Publicity shot with Bob Tattersfield and actress Coleen Townsend. Note how the gas tank and rear end are now chrome. The Tattersfield tank on display at the 1948 Hot Rod Show. This is where Hot Rod Magazine debuted. Also note the Kinmont Brake display in the background. The car was reportedly the same hammertone blue used on the heads and intakes. Cool stuff, Jay
Anybody recognize the wheel covers on the tank. One lead is that they were custom from California Metal Shaping, who also reportedly made ripples. I found a pair of very old and heavy ripples in LA, but have not been able to absolutely id these. Any help would be appreciated. Jay
Another very interesting Tattersfield car. This is Bob Tattersfield's custom post-war coupe, per the family photo notation (1946). Check this thing out. First, look at how the grill was modified, then notice that the car has twin radiators in the fender wells. On the firewall, there is a Columbia rear control switch, a Sun tachometer electronic box and of coarse the full Tattersfield regalia. What I cannot figure out are the things on the firewall to the right of the aircleaner. On has a hard line up to the front of the motor. Maybe a Marvel's Mystery Oiler? What is that above it? OK super sleuthes. Any ideas or verification? Has anyone else ever seen a photo, or even know about this car? Jay
Re: Tattersfield History Can I get the dates these where published in TRJ ! I would like to get copies Thanks Canuck-2
You read all this history on this thread, you're told how rare these parts are and yet you are blown away by the selling price? How about $15k for a set of Kinmonts or $27,600 for a pair of V8-60 Ardun heads? This is history man and serious collectors will pay what it takes for rare original parts.
Yes this stuff is pricey. I do expect that as the economy flattens, some of this stuff might come down in price. I know that I lost my set of Kinmonts to an unnamed "collector", who bought them litterally right out from beneath me as the family was trying to locate the wheel cylinders and small parts. That was 12 years ago. Maybe one day! OK, last of the Tattersfield parade. For the record, the Tattersfield-Baron story was published in TRJ #11. Here are pubicity shots of the tank with a drop-dead gorgious actress, Coleen Townsend. Then there are two shots from the '49 Bonneville. One where there is much activity on the rear of the tank, as it is realized there needs to be a push bar (and everything is already chromed!) OOPS! Then there is a shot of the tank on a trailer, a head is off on the trailer and there is a blower in the lower left corner. Remember this blower, as this was a Thickstun creation and I have blueprints of the likely unique internal vane design! The last is maybe one of the best shots I own. It is Bob Tattersfield standing, with Bob Morton in the drivers seat on the lakes before the tank was painted and lettered. This was a shake-down run. Way cool. Jay
If anyone has any clue as to where this tank ended up? I do have a shot of the tank, converted to a dragster. The early Dodge truck that is with the tank has painted on the side Wolfe's Fluid Drive. Any thoughts? I will try and dig out the last known shot that I have seen. I do know that the tank was rented out, as SCTA member Reg Fudge used it once. I also know that when Gray Baskerville's office was cleaned out, he had one of the Tattersfield tank timing tags. Jay
[/IMG] Is this Hammertone Blue??????? and if it is! does anyone know where I can get a rattle can of it
Here is off my old plymouth. There is another convertible in a barn not far from here with tattersfield speed equipment on it too. I can't afford it right now but it's just sitting inside for someday... hmmm...I can't seem to find the attachment option here today???
Here's mine i just got my hands on for christmas! I've got the best finaceé ever You can see the hammertone blue still in the ports. This will be swell once polished! =Adrian=
Really cool to see all the stuff that has survived. In 1947, Tattersfield sponsored an Indy car entry, and went to Indy pulling a trailer full of intakes, heads, etc. A friend has a set of Plymouth Tattersfield equipment that came from the Indy area, and I would bet were a direct result of the Tattersfield Indy trip. Tattersfield was very flamboyent, and had big air horns on the post-war Ford truck, which had wooden advertising boards on either side of the bed with actual parts bolted to it. I am positive that the colorized shot was included in the original TRJ story. Jay
DARN IT! That is the air cleaner I saw on a intake, carbs, air cleaner setup a guy was selling at the Chickasha OK Swap Meet about 3-4 years ago. He wanted $375 for the whole setup but the guy who was looking at didn't want that funky aircleaner and I was broke.
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