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Why are the 32 3W Brookville bodies up for sale ... unbuilt ?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Deuce Roadster, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. Deuce Roadster
    Joined: Sep 8, 2002
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    Not to start a whizzing match but WHY are there 4 or 5 unbuilt, still on the pallet from Brookville ... 32 3W coupe bodies up for sale? One ( on the famous auction site ) at 2 thousand less than list. I could understand a few roadster bodies ... they have been out for a while but there is supposed to be a long waiting list for the 32 3W.

    I have seen a few of them in person and I thought they were pretty nice reproductions. With paint on them ... they would be very difficult to tell from the original 3W Henry Ford/Murray bodies. I understand that the economy is down a little and we are in a recession/depression ( depending on who you talk too ) ... but it looks like after waiting months, maybe years for your Brookville order to be filled ... they would not be that many up for sale.

    I know of one here in the South ordered by a rod shop ... maybe he got it wholesale ... he still has it and it is for sale ... no waiting. :rolleyes:

    Answers anyone ?


    :)
     
  2. Cshabang
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    because you can buy Brookville bodies cheaper un***embled...and at less of a wait
     
  3. 296 V8
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    Why ask here?
     
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  4. phukinartie
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    bad economic forecast a half million jobs lost cancelled orders were do i stop?
     
  5. jusjunk
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    And????? how much cheaper ? .. Randy im thinking and I know you will prolly argue the point but we dont all have your money :) its the economy .. thats it bottom line... these guys bought this stuff when prices were high and they intended to make a profit on just the body or a roller or a finished car and then the big D..... ill tell ya if i was in the market ive seen some really good buys.. not only steel **** but i know of a 32 roller in gl*** that is a steal compared to what i payed for my coupe 4 years ago and mine didnt have a crate engine...
    Its a buyers market right now and i took a 3k loss on my roadster but im still ahead:).. will i do another ? not right now im counting the money and thinking.. Ive also realized i have too many hobbys so the car can wait.. If i was in the market ive had grabbed a couple of the brookville bodys just because.. they aint gonna get no cheaper..
    Dave
    ps: Happy new year
     
  6. Hot Rods Ta Hell
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    Yep, I don't think the waiting period has much to do with waiting for panels to be stamped out, but for Brookville to ***emble the bodies. I read somewhere recently that it takes quite a few man hours (50?) for them to put one together. Multiply that number x mucho orders and it's a safe bet the ***y techs at Brookville have job security for awhile.
     
  7. Cshabang
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    i don't know how much cheaper...never bought one, built or unbuilt...just know people who have.
     
  8. Bullet Man
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    SAY THE WORD: EBAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you were ashamed of it why where you on it?
     
  9. hotrod1940
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    What?
     
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  10. Bad Bob
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    Bobby Waldens shop gets them un***embled and ***embles them for customers. That's what I read on their website.
     
  11. Deuce Roadster
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    You must not know me very well ... :D
    I am a poor, 60 year guy in the South ... that worked for the government until retirement :) The wife did also. :rolleyes:

    I understand that you can buy the panels cheaper ... and if you have the talent ( I do not :( ) you could build your own 3W body for less money. But they does not explain ... to me at least ... why the already bought ones are up for sale. :confused: I understand a possible financial reversal or a divorce ... ( my stocks and investments are WAY DOWN ) ... would make one or two for sale, but all the ones I see for sale ?

    Just wondering ... sitting around after Christmas ... and surfing the HAMB.

    and Dave, unlike you ...
    I had to give up HAM radio ... it was too expensive :p;)
     
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  12. Cyclone Kevin
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    Hey Deuce Roadster, are you talking about this one? This auction,Item number: 160306681962 is listed as a [​IMG] price US $23,500.00
    I have seen these guys before, not sure if they are the company that actually stamps the panels for both SAR and Brookville? That body looks fine to me! I'd take it if I 23k large to spend.
     
  13. Deuce Roadster
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    Yes, that is one of them. It is listed as a Brookville ... not a Dearborn Deuce. I agree ... it looks great for the money. :)

    The main thing I see wrong with the Brookville 3W is the dash ... it has no place for the cigar light ... and that could be fixed ... fairly easy once you had the dash in your hands.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Stovebolt
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    He built a *****in chopped one that can be seen on his website

    Funny, but I would too ....... if I had 34,850 Australian P***os ....... stinking exchange rate :(
     
  15. Jeff J
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    For $23,000 I'd rather have a dearborn deuce roadster that comes with top and windshield and top !
     

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  16. propwash
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    It's hard to fathom that there's a recession when I see that somehow or another, people across the nation managed to donate a sufficient amount of money to Obama's campaign to allow him to break the billion dollar mark in contributions. When I drive by the casinos here (or even stop in), the lot has plenty of SUVs, and large trucks, Cadillacs, Lexuses (Lexi?), etc. I notice that movies have not decreased their admission fees, nor has the price of snacks met this horrible economic downturn.

    I am aware that several thousand people that had good jobs are now out of work, and they will be followed by thousands more, but gee - pretty soon all the government-sponsored "make work" projects will be activated and those folks will be back to work. So, if those people that are desperate to sell their 3W bodies can just hang on till the first few paychecks are issued to the guys digging the ditches for all the 'infrastructure' replenishment, the we'll all be flush again.

    dj
     
  17. Bad Bob
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    EASY! You don't want this to turn into a Political thread and get closed...maybe you guys should stay on topic!
     
  18. A little OT but after looking years and years for "reasonable" price Henery Deuce Roadster, I went with Erik Hansson of Scandinavian Street Rod in Huntington Beach CA.
    He takes your frame and builds a Brookville 32 Ford of your choice. I bought my Roadster body, (#097) completed on my Squeak Bell (Kiwi Konnection) frame, ready to go, shimmed, fit, etc for a few dollars less than I could have from BV, and no 18 month wait or shipping costs. Ordered it in May, dropped the frame off in Nov, he said it would be about 3 weeks, 11 days later he called and said it was ready for pick up. The quality of it was outstanding, a little lead, no bondo and it all worked as it should. Saved me countless hours/days shimming/fitting. Put my 390 Caddy back in it and is semi finished and will be roadworthy soon. (My 50s Deuce 5w is still not quite road ready yet and had to get the wife's 40 coupe back on the road again after 33 years)
    My point is that Erik can do 3w, roadsters, etc with litterly no wait and the quality is there. Highly recommend anyone looking give Erik a call and talk, very friendly guy and will give you a GREAT tour of his facility. Warning, be careful, he likes to talk "Hot Rods" too. Enough babbling. Hope all had a "Cool Yule and are having a Frantic First"
     
  19. Because according to some self-proclaimed car expert that emailed me up with the usual piss-and-moan fest on eBay the other day, you can buy nice original 32-3-4 3-window coupes for $5000-$10,000.





    Yeah, I want some of what that clown is smoking, too.
     
  20. Boones
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    Randy, I think it manfacturing speed. I am sure it takes a good bit of time to ***emble one but they can manufacture the panels at quicker speeds, thus allowing body panels to be sold to those that want to ***emble themselves. (other shops). A local shop here has one that was ***embled by SAR in Portland. I am sure there are a number of shops with the ability (maybe some home builders also)

    offering up extra inventory (stuff you can not get into work by end of the year) at the end of the year is not a bad idea. if you sell off your extra inventory (when its easy to catch up making new panels) you also do not have to pay taxes on it. Saving a business money
     
  21. LUX BLUE
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    I have the easy answer.

    30-31's are cooler and easier to find.

    and You can build 2 for the price of that body.:D

    Sorry...had a smart *** moment. carry on.
     


  22. And no side windows.

    I drive my roadster - w/top - in stupid cold weather now and then, but don't go too far, too fast in it.

    This morning, 20* F when I left the house.
    Bout three hours later, 28* F when I got back.

    Times like that I'm admiring the coupes.

    If I had the bucks, I'd be highly tempted to toss a BV 3 window on the 32's frame, stick a heater in and roll up the windows.

    Then I'd be stuck with a Wescott body.

    S'ok though, I hear they're salt resistant....;)
     
  23. Why not? Seems to me the perfect place to ask. Even with all the drama and BS around here some times the HAMB still has the most informed membership I've found.
     
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  24. imho, prices are down, its a buyers market, I sold my 55 daily driven Star Chief for $6500 to buy my 2nd property, it will be a long time to replace it at that price.....
    and if this is a recession, why do I have to wait 2 hrs to plant my **** in a seat at Red Lobster??????
     
  25. junkyardroad
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    If I had that much money to spend, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. I wonder why anyone would *****. My dad sold is 32 3W to finance my birth, if we could change places, I'm not sure I would make the same choice, all things considered.

    I left the dealer without a 2009 Ultra today, $24K , mmm......
     
  26. turdytoo
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    Try this theory, Brookville dealers get bodies ordered thinking they are going to bring premium prices if there available without the 2 year plus wait and it doesn't happen.?
     
  27. krooser
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    Cash Flow... anyone who's been in business understands that. You can't afford to have inventory sitting around... it has to move. They can sell this one, order another and keep on making a few $$$.

    No one can afford to have inventory sitting around... ask GM.
     
  28. blackout
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    Deuce Roadster..I believe it is due to the economic slowdown, I think some builders got the bodies thinking they would be building them sooner, also, a business will have to pay taxes on inventory after the end of the year. The business' defer any sales tax on the purchase of the bodies, and any other parts purchased. I also agree, it's like the retail clothing stores, better to sell the bodies cheaper and get cash if needed for cash flow.
     
  29. ken1939
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    If I went reproduction steel, I would go with ReproSteel, I think their body is most accurate. ***embled about 10K, but if you buy all the pieces its about 4500. If you have a jig. That would make it easier in some ways. Skinning doors and decklids is not for the faint of heart.

    I call it the big eyes little stomach proposition. OOOH I WANT I WANT, now you have it and dont know what to do with it.

    I also agree on the Old Lady *****ing. Never do anything without her consent. Really.

    Best example was a story a guy told me at a AOPA meeting.

    He was in tv and radio broadcasting for years in the south, and had a chance to buy a plane, take lessons, and do traffic reports. Something that interested him.

    The wife says, well if you are going to buy that expensive plane, you better buy me somthing that goes fast from 0 to 160.

    He did, he went to home depot and bought her a scale.


    Not married anymore btw lol.
     
  30. Cyclone Kevin
    Joined: Apr 15, 2002
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    One has to remember that the advertised body here is not by Brookville-Antique Automotive Sheetmetal direct. It is either one of their dealers or the stamper?
    It’s refered to as “Brookville Panels”
    We are a dealer of their products and we order through out the year,but if a customer wanted to wait till march for a delivery in Jume @ the LARS or October for a delivery in Jan @ the GNRS that would be a 12wk lead time.
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    I have never waited a year and we have paid cash for the parts that we have ordered and have more than once thought about the purchase of the 3W Body. I just never have the money at the same time=J.
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    I always talk to Chuck and have him on speed dial in my cell, He always cuts a smoking deal for every customer that I have dealt with. So I think I&#8217;d just stick with them when it comes time to buying replacement bodies.
     

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