My Bad So to get back to Cleveland's here my 351C when we first started to set it up in the Anglia a couple of years ago
Any 351C 4V engine you run on the street would benefit big time from an inexpensive 408 stroker kit. The increase in cubes wouldboost torque and actually approach being able to use the flow capability of the 4V heads.
has anybody here put a cleveland in a 41-48 ford? If so, was there any problem with the exhaust and steering box? My steering box is a gm manual steering. Tia bob
There is a guy in Laguna Hills Ca that has a pretty bad ass 41 coupe that has a 351C in it. Seen it around for 10 years or so. Think it's an MII front end though.
You may want to ask that on www.ozrodders.com There are quite a few running around Australia with Clevo's in them. Im sure omeone could help you out there. I think it would be easier to do with right hand drive, no messing about with steering around the starter. Doc
DOC, I WAS BANNED TWICE CAUSE I COULDN,T ANSWER THEIR SPAM QUESTION RIGHT. ISN,T Australia THE RIGHT ANSWER? ANYWAY THANKS FOR TRYING TO HELP . BOB
Seems to me they were, plus you want to get away from the plastic covered gears anyway, not to mention any OEM gears are really old now.
I put a Boss 351 Cleveland in my little '66 Ford shop truck. It is a beast and has a ton of power and torque. I have to disagree on them being ugly. I personally think its one of the best looking engines around with the right valve covers. Mine made 467hp and 428tq at 3200 rpm and was still making over 350hp at 7000. The Nascar boys are still using this type head, so I think it was a pretty good design. With a little work you can come up with your own serpentine belt system to make the front of the engine look alot better too. You don't need a solid lifter cam to make big numbers either...mine is hydraulic. Kevin Ooltewah Speed Shop
On another Forum it said Trick Flow had new 2V heads on display @ the SEMA show. 62CC chambers. 2.08/1.65 valves, springs good for .680 lift. & great flow numbers.
Hi Weasel, your Cleveland looks trick, awesome, super unique! I am big into clevelands too, going to try and start building some new stuff this winter. I got a new set of 4 valve heads I want to fit on a C. http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703264_36_full.jpg <SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_3294272", true); </SCRIPT>
4 Valve?? On these older engines 4 V means venturi as in the number of barrels in the carb, not the number of valves.
Hi George, I understand what you are saying but I have a set of dominon-arao 4 valve heads to try. Now that I think about it, its kind of interesting about the whole ("4V") thing about the C engines and how it can become confused as possibly a 4V-alve lol.
Alejandro de Tomaso listed OHC heads for the 351C in a 1970 or 1971 brochure - don't know if they ever made it even to prototype stage though. I think they were listed for the Deauville or Longchamps sedans.
Wow it would be cool to see some concept pics, drawings or anything for that matter for a ohc C. I will take some pics of my stuff over the weeked and post them.
I stand corrected (numerous times...) I was wrong. Sorry about the bad advice. Good luck on the Cleveland! It's a great motor.
I am impressed with the versitility of the c also. I took a 2v C out of a Torino, popped an intake and a 4 bbl on it, dropped it into my 63 f-100 unibody, pulled some high 12s low 13s. pulled it out of the f-100, put a 2 bbl intake back on and put it in an 83' F-150 4x4 to do some wheelin. It had probibly 100k ish on it. I rolled the truck and the thing actually ran for about a minuite upside down till i came to and shut it down. It came out of that truck and I sold it to a guy that put it in a mustang, and last I heard it was still runnin like a champ. Durrable mills.
Here's a few pics of my project, the parts still need to be fitted/modded, just waiting for a new block before I start working on it. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3972/im004530cs9.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8052/im004546wd5.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8707/im004545kh9.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/226/im004548wo0.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6606/im004551zb6.jpg
WOW!!! Those 4 Valve heads are very trick. I dought that they would make any more HP. than the Nascar heads, but they look great. The Cup heads on a 415 cid. Cleveland bottom end will easily make over 700 HP. Add a synt. supercharger or a turbo and the numbers get stupid. We had a Nascar headed 417 Ford RaceTek Racing Engines (all aluminum) engine that made 847hp. and 684tq. With a single Stealth HP 850. Total Bad Ass engine. Kevin Ooltewah Speed Shop
Well they should be able to make more power than all 2 valve heads, heres some info, these are what I got... http://www.araoengineering.com/Ford/frdsmb.htm
Yes im basicly doing the same thing Weasel did. allthough the heads are W style there is no reason why they cant be used on a C style block with a few mods. Anyway I am on the opinon that only one well designed smallblock 4 valve ford head needs to be made for all sbf's. No diffrent than the sbf yates/svo heads. If anyones interested in more pics and tech of this multi valve stuff heres a link... http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1070216 Weasel, I hope you don't mind, I copy/pasted one of your sexy engine pics to start it.
The OP has a 351C. 3v CHI heads and intake reduce the weight down to that of a comparable 351W. I prefer the stroked 400 (434cid). This pic is Dan Lee's....Mine is similar, and is going into my 87 Tbird.
Here is mine when I brought it home (not much to look at now!): 1970 2V My boy getting his hands dirty... How it stands today...hope to finish it up soon. I pick up parts when and where I can. It is eventually going in my 1953 f100. I, for one, like the look of the Cleveland. I plan to paint mine all black and put on this set of valve covers..the flat topped/canted valve covers are sweet
Did a few back in the 70s FIRST thing, If it is a 2 barrel it is NOT a Clevleand it is an 351M. Some peple refer to them as Clevlands also but they do not have the performance heads of the Clevland. Eddy makes a manifold to convert these two barel engines and there is other stuff available BIGGEST trick is to know the cam in these engines is retarded 8 degrees with the factory chain and gears for emmissions reasons. That is one reason they ran so yukky when they got a bit of age on them. A corrected (zero) timing gear and chain set used to be avaialble but I dont remember from who. Probably Melling or someone. They are a reasonable engine but were never a killer. Aussie heads were popular and Jim Peetoom in BC Canada brought about 6 sets back when he moved back to Canada. Last I heard he stilll had them for sale. Search Canada 411 for his current phone number. Last i heard he was living in BC not a long way from Mission City Dragway. He is a street rodder and avid drag racer so someone will know him. DonD
www.tmeyerinc.com here's where I go. 351C 4V: '71 Boss, '72 HO, '71 CJ, '72-'73 4V versions use 4 bolt main-bearing caps. 351C 2V: all use 2 bolt main-bearing caps, though the casting will accept 4 bolt caps with drilling and tapping the two extra holes.
A 2 barrel Cleveland is not a 351M. The Cleveland had a 9.2" deck height in 2 and 4 barrel versions. The 351M/400 had a 10.3" deck and big block bellhousing pattern. ( except the 400 FMX block)
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Ah yes, the "Experts" are out in full force..... But then again I have never heard of a "Clevleand" so maybe he's right!
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