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Wheel Brake combo dilemma

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by jj mack, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. jj mack
    Joined: Mar 22, 2007
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    From the start.

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    I have a set of wilson finned backing plates, buick 45 drums. 40 something hubs. 37 spindles. I found the right bearing combo to fit the 37 spindles. then I had the hubs turned so they will fit INSIDE the buick drums and register to the drums. I am real happy with the way they all fit together.

    I want to run the 36 wires that I have (you know where this is going). to get them to fit. Go picked up some 1.5" spacers which I was okay with....till I mounted them. Now I understand why the wheel support like this...

    http://www.mtcarproducts.com/fordwirewheelsup.html

    is needed.

    I should have done more homework ahead of time. But now I am concerned with 1.) a spacer on a spacer 2.) the wheel sticking out that far outside the hub

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    I have 2 options that I know of....not real happy with either and looking for suggestions or thoughts from others who have done this setup.

    1. Sell the Wilsons and buick drums and get the early ford style. ( Wanna buy some? where is the best place to get the full set of early ford style?)

    2. Ditch the wires the wheels and get steelies (if so where to get em, what size worls for buick drums without spacers

    Thanks,

    JJ
     
  2. Fraz
    Joined: Mar 3, 2001
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    from Dixon, MO

    Why 1.5" on the spacers, that seems like a LOT. Can you narrow them to get the wires to fit closer to the Buick drums?

    How thick is the wheel support doodad you're lookin at? From what I can tell it's barely 1/4" thick, maybe less.
     
  3. jj mack
    Joined: Mar 22, 2007
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    1.5" is barely enough. The wheel support is thin. But I think I am trying to hard to make something work that is not meant to work
     
  4. Dueceburnout
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    you have you answer. Buick's don't work very good with the wires. spacing is what you have. steelies with fix it or diff Drums. stock 40-48 drums will work (still might need the alignment ring) the stock drums will look kinda funny with the backing plates. theres always the Lincoln backing plates same self energizing. but look more like stock ford. that would look real nice with the wire's and Lincoln or ford drums.
     
  5. striper
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    I know nothing about wires but I have 48 hubs with buick drums and 16" 48 steelies. Fits like factory
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    Pete
     
  6. I'm using Wilson finned backing plates on my '32 roadster with finned drums with 49/51 Merc wheels. Back space right about 3.25/3.5" clears the fins nicely with just the pointy part sticking out.

    Can't tolerate the Alloway "look" either.

    Charlie
     
  7. weemark
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    from scotland

    as you have said the parts you are trying to use do not work together - the back of the wire wheels does not fit over the buick drums, nor do they fit over the F1/F100 drums.

    you just need to make a decision as to what you want to use - '35 wires or buick drums - '36s didnt have wires as they used the wide 5 stud pattern.
     
  8. pasadenahotrod
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    Now then, what was the reason for those 1.5" spacers again?

    Oh yeah, I forgot, those wheels are 1935 Ford, the only year the 16" wire wheel was used.
    36-39 are "wide five" wheels.

    Hubs.
    All the front hubs for early Fords use the same bearings and races for 1928-48P***enger Cars and 1928-47 Pickups.
    The hydraulic brake hubs are 1939 only (wide five), 1940-41 P*** and Pickup (drum mounts on hub hub from outside, 1942-48 P*** and 1942-47 Pickup (drum mounts to hub from inside, hub flange is exposed).
     
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  9. jj mack
    Joined: Mar 22, 2007
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    The ID on the inside of the wheel is smaller than the OD of the drum. If you put a straight edge across the inside of the drum and measure to the back of the bolt holes...you get 1.5". Clear as mud?:confused:
     
  10. weemark
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    the drums dont fit into the wheels.
     
  11. kenagain
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    Hey got the same problem I think I am going to ditch the buick drums n adapter kit for ford spindles. glad I save my ford setup which worked
     
  12. jj mack
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    Thanks...I mistyped......

    I am leaning to ditching the brakes...any ideas on a source for baking plates and drums?
     
  13. weemark
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    from scotland

    speak to richard at http://www.earlyv8garage.qpg.com/

    or eric (vaphead on here) at http://www.riley-auto.com/

    speedway also keep all the parts to swap over - I would suggest you change to the lincoln style brakes which are self energizing.

    all should be able to supply all the parts you need.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  14. jj mack
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    I am kicking myself for not getting those from wilson in the first place..
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
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