Well, there we go, right from the source. So, were the heads/intake apparently ordered from the factory that way or added later, perhaps at the dealer even after delivery? Thanks for signing up and chiming in! Looks like a cool car and very curious about the hemi. Honestly, until I saw this and checked into it, I didn't even know Plymouth offered a poly block let alone that hemi heads could possibly be added to it. Very interesting.
I think threads like this are helpful.. I think the car looks really nice.. I wish I had the funds.. it would be a Nice RIDE.. A set of Old Motorwheel Wire wheels would set that car off Nicely..
If there were MANY Plymouth 50's cop cars with hemis as he said, there wouldn't even be this thread because NO ONE would doubt it. I seached online for these MANY cop cars, couldn't quite seem to find ANY, let alone MANY. Please enlighten me.
If it's a Dodge engine, which he says it is, THAT alone tells you it's a transplant and is NOT a factory job! Dodge, DeSoto, and Chrysler ALL had their own Hemi engines, and Plymouth, being the budget brand, had none. This is a car done this way after delivery to a dealer/customer, period. The different makes did NOT put each other's engines in each other's cars at the factory. That would be like saying you could get a 409 in a Buick in 1962, just because the mid-sized Chevys and Buicks came down the same ***embly line. Or, a 396 in a Firebird, because the Camaros came down the same line. Make sense now???
From the "American V-8 Engine Data Book," page 147 "Lowly Plymouth never did get a hemi of its own in the 1950s. The division would have to wait until the 1960s, for the mighty 426 cid hemi V-8. The closest the division got were poly-head V-8 engines introduced in 1955. The base engine was the 241.1 cid Hy-Fire V-8. This engine had the same dimensions as Dodge's 241 cid hemi but used the polyspherical heads instead. It was rated at 157 hp. With a bore and stroke of 3.5625x3.250 in., the next Hy-Fire engine displaced 259 cid. The two-barrel version was rated at 167 hp, while the four-barrel and dual-exhaust version was good for another 10 hp." As has been mentioned several times already, it couldn't be a factory Plymouth hemi, but is, in fact, a conversion using Dodge parts.
Not quite true. Many Dodge comercial trucks had Chrysler Industrial Hemis in them. I've pulled 3 myself.
This thread is amusing. All this "I know it couldn't have this" or "that couldn't be because of this" or "so and so company never EVER made this..." Yet, nobody just bothered to pick up the phone and call this guy... Good thing he's on the HAMB... made for some interesting and brief discussion though...
One of the little known tricks for the low block Dodge hemis 241, 255 is to try and find a 1956 (only) Plymouth poly block, as it is the only one that has cast in motor mounts. Sure this looks like a dealer install and may even have been done to the car before delivery. That does not make it 'factory' but it sure makes for a neat car.
I'd like to see those. The Chrysler Industrial Hemis were exactly that - industrial - for use in auxiliary power units, boats, stationary pumps, and the like. The Dodge Hemi was for the Dodge trucks. Remember, that it's been 50 years since the last early Hemi was built new. Over time, you are likely to find anything in just about anything - people DO swap engines and **** like that around, ya know! But, as for a factory job, I have a Dodge Heavy Truck service manual avaialble to me, and it says not a thing about a Chrylser Hemi in a Dodge truck. LOTS of info about Dodge Hemis in Dodge trucks, however.
Don't need a phone when you have the hamb. Less than 24 hours after posting this, we now have a new convert. Like I said, I don't want to call him up and waste his time chatting about **** just for my own sake. If he wants to log on here and participate, that is great and up to him. I know I am not too big on people calling me up and asking questions and stuff for things I have for sale just so they can chat. Maybe some people like that, but I prefer to respect people's time and privacy unless I actually have intentions to buy something. Also, if I had done that and got my answer, I might have just left it at that and never bothered to post it here for others to think about and offer up thoughts. With that said, very glad he signed up and joined the discussion. Hope he can chime back in and let us know if he thinks it was a factory option or maybe a dealer conversion or whatever. I am very curious and completely open to the possibility it could be any of the above. I know Studebaker also would do pretty much anything within their kit of parts to satisfy odd ball requests at times. Who knows, maybe a dealer had a special buddy on the line who did a friend a favor. We may never find out a truly 100% definitive answer, but cool to discuss and see what others know as well.
Just wait until I put my '52 Hudson on Ebay that was factory equipped with a Rolls-Royce Merlin engine with Ford Flathead heads and GM TPI... HONEST!
Naw, I agree. Your point of posting it was very clear (to most, anyway). I just think these threads are amusing when the "never ever happened" stuff start getting thrown around. To be quite honest, I think this is a good thread because just when you think you've seen it all, something new pops up. Auto manufacturers did all kinds of crazy stuff in limited (or one-off) amounts and sometimes they surface and throw everyone off. Very cool car, by the way!
Kroozer, You better look again. Mine came with a 1710 Allison, are you sure you have a 1650? Lucky667
Indeed, Dodge heavy trucks came with the occasional Chrysler Industrial Hemi. I've seen it in my own eyes. My IND56 331 (yes, with adjustable rockers) will be going in my '50 Ford 3/4 ton. ~Jason
<TABLE cellSpacing=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH vAlign=center align=left>T7,T8, T9</TH><TH>1958</TH><TD>Dodge Truck</TD><TD>Hemi</TD><TD>354</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH vAlign=center align=left>C7,S7,T7,T8,T9</TH><TH>1959</TH><TD>Dodge Truck</TD><TD>Hemi</TD><TD>354</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TH vAlign=center align=left>M8-D7,M8-D8,M8-D9</TH><TH>1959</TH><TD>Dodge Truck</TD><TD>Hemi</TD><TD>354</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> http://www.hemisunlimited.com/poly/426.html Those were ALL Chrysler 354 industrials. There are more on that site (and a ton of other sites). Dodge made a 241,270,315, and 325 Hemi. Those 1958/59 Dodge comercial trucks had EITHER a Dodge 315/325 OR the Chrysler 354. Racers loved those blocks from the trucks because the wall casting was a LOT thicker. Go find a 5 ton Dodge dump truck and if it is original, more than likely you found a 354 Hemi (but the heads ****, no water ports like the early 331). Only drawback is getting rid of that much truck later.
One of mine actually is from a 1956 Dodge truck. I'm guessing a school bus, possibly. It is as Chrysler 331 as Chrysler 331's can get. Just reinforcing your point...
Here's a GREAT example of a Chrysler in a Dodge truck, right here! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___59-dodge-truck-700-series_W0QQitemZ280311261762QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item280311261762&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A317%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Thanks - us Hemi guys have to stick together! I was a ******** Poly guy (A engines, mostly), and have finally begun my journey into the dark side. ~Jason
Not only did the 354 Chrysler hemi come in Dodge trucks - with desirable no name valve covers, but it was also available from the factory with dual quads in the Dodge KD501 option on 1957 p***enger cars.
I think that is one cool Plymouth. I don't care if it's factory or not. 55 Plymouths are scarce as hen's teeth anyway, much less a cherry one with a hemi motor. Like others if I had the dough I'd scarf that little jewel up in a heartbeat ....
That is correct the sale word Hemi came in 1965 with the start of the public sale of the 426 street mill. I have also seen earley plymouths with so called factory ram motor but thet were all dealer placed motors. kinda like the 65 Charger, there all dealer options and very hard to come by I have only seen one. OH you didnt know about the 65 charger you do now.
Well at the risk of being dragged out into the street and kicked around, I'd like to say I don't think Dodge trucks actually had Chrysler Industrials in them. From what I've seen, every one of the Dodge Hemi trucks had a Chrysler p***enger-car engine with no name stamped valve covers, but were painted with "Power Giant" script. The Industrials had ridiculously fat sodium-filled exhaust valves for long duration running (supposed to transfer combustion heat to the cooling system more effectively - ??) and to me this is the deciding factor between Industrial / non-Industrial Chryslers. The trucks had really weird truck-only front accessory drives and I've even heard they may have had some Industrial parts such as direct-driven cams, etc. I'm sure some will have comments to pile on there. As for the Plymouth - neat car but there was no factory Hemi Plymouth engine, period. Now if someone wanted a Dodge Hemi in their Plymouth, that would have been an easy thing to do by a dealer or at home but it wasn't done on any OEM Mopar ***embly line that any expert is aware of. They didn't put DeSotos or Chryslers in them, either but I get asked all the time if my '57 Plymouth has its original Hemi. lol
I had one of mine sonar tested and the wall castings were not comparable to the p***enger car 354 block I also had done (this was almost 20 years ago, no I do not remember the actual numbers). The heads on those motors were not the same as any p*** car 354 head because there were no water outlets in the front of the head. NONE of the 3 "power giants" I pulled had any type of "power drive" setups as you mentioned. Honestly, I don't remember the valves because I had/used better heads on mine. One of the 3 I got, had the adjustable rockers and factory dimples. Yes, you can imagine my no script dimpled covers brought me some coin on feebay. I had a few books at the time that had defined them as industrials, but I guess they needed your definition included. However, the point ACTUALLY was he was saying there were no name brand crossovers in the Mopar (as known now) family, and I was saying there was Chrysler Hemis put in Dodge trucks.
WHY YOU!!!!! NO! Actually.... you are completely.... CORRECT! They were not "IND" engines. They were truck specific. Who knows, maybe a couple Industrial engines did happen to "fall" into one somewhere along the lines, but most records confirm that they were truck specific as you mentioned. In fact. They were designed for heavy loads, unlike the Industrial type which were... well... just running at fairly set load and RPM which reinforces your statement about the sodium valves (which I hear are good in blown Hemi apprlications. Not sure if there is any truth to that). By the way (since we've completely gone off on a tangent at this point)... I'm still looking for the a picture of those valve covers with the "Power Giant" script! I've never seen one, so now it is your job to provide a picture, since you brought it up and all.
But not industrial, normal decaled v-covers And i dont think all industrials had sodium filled valves POWER GIANT 354 comes to mind, with 2x2's or 2x1's Yep wish i'd picked up the sweepside i had a chance on a while back, dont know if that chrysler hemi was stock though I have a set of the v- covers, but no decal though
http://www.carcraft.com/junkyardcrawl/116_0704_1958_dodge_700_truck/index.html there is a pic of a beat up one
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