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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Scott Danforth, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. Da Tinman
    Joined: Dec 29, 2005
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    Wont work as the turbos are not mounted in the exhaust stream,, they wont see any flow. He just made some very heavy, expensive mufflers.

    And those rear mount turbo deals are really kinda crappy. Wont get as much boost and the oil has to be pumped back to the motor, those pumps fail and then your blowing oil out of the exhaust.
     
  2. Kilroy
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    from Orange, Ca

    Looks like old Vision skate deck art...
     
  3. That is some mighty fyne enjuneering. Yikes.
     
  4. Shifty Shifterton
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    You're assuming they're just hooked to the outer case. If the exhaust stream is redirected into the turbo, and the turbo exhausts back into the case, it works. Despite the otherwise horrendous quality, visualize a 90 degree bend inside the muffler case feeding the turbo. That guy's setup is about making the bottom half of the muffler look stock. The part you can see when installed

    Most of the rear mount turbos don't use engine oil, they take advantage of low operating temps, high technology lubricants, and frequent change intervals. And no, they aren't as efficient as front mounts but even low efficiency twins would make stupid power behind a V8. There's a lot of guys that would love to hide that kind of power adder under a fake rear seat that's actually an insulated heatbox.

    Think about it. A couple of weld-sealed framerails and a "cold air" kit that's actually sealed to the frame ends. Use a noisy gear drive to hide/blend the turbo sound. Serious friday night money maker.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2009
  5. octane
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    I'm not sure what's worse...the welding or the fact that he painted it...implying that it's done!
     
  6. JeffreyJames
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    I thought my welding was really coming along guys. That intake was my creme de la creme.
     
  7. lostforawhile
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    he probably got in a hurry or some crap,if he was that bad of a welder, he could have tacked it, and taken it to someone to be welded, a trade school,SOMEWHERE,and let them finish it up. and i do believe it's welded right to the cast manifold flange, wonder how long that's gonna last. I didn't have anything heavy enough to do the aluminum manifold on my "rice" if you call it that, so i sent it up to my brother in laws company in Atlanta, they make industrial aluminum awnings, and let them to it. yea it took a while to get it back, but i would rather wait then see garbage like that. welds penetrated enough to actually warp the heavy aluminum plate, but they are in there. just took a little machine work to make it nice and flat again. [​IMG]
     
  8. jasonp
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    I just threw up in my mouth a little bit......
     
  9. outlawsteel
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    oh my that looks like shit on top of shit on top of shit and so on
     
  10. Kustomkarma
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    Why would anyone use a zillion little pieces of metal instead of a couple larger formed one?
     
  11. lostforawhile
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    maby he just paint it pale green and call it Dr. Frankensteins rat rod? needs a couple of big bolts sticking out the sides though. what was he thinking? [​IMG]
     
  12. RichG
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    That actually made me laugh out loud!:D
     
  13. Oh dang! was thinking about doing that patch work thing to my Mercury.
     
  14. czuch
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    Dont weld on crack
    sincerley Edward Sissorhand
     
  15. kingfishhotrods
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    I might build a whole car like that coupe.
    Not really!!!!
     
  16. fiat128
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    I guess it was too hard to knock the dent out of the lasagne car before welding over it.
     
  17. The Lasagna car looks to be a rat rod and was probably intended to look that way. Pretty sad non the less. I dont mind some rat rods but most of the ones I've seen are not road worthy. I wonder how some pass state inspections!
     
  18. CrazyUncleJack
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    I just don't understand how somebody can spend the money even USED turbos cost, and then not take the time to learn the concepts of how they work.

    I suppose it will be more stealth this way, because they won't ever spin up enough that somebody can hear them.

    EDIT: after finishing reading the thread, somebody pointed out that maybe there's pluming inside the muffler. I suppose I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, but that contraption is so tall, it would be sticking up in your trunk.
     
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  19. lostforawhile
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    even some rat rod guys do better then that
     
  20. MonsterMaker
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    Now i understand......it was welded with ratrod.....:rolleyes:
     
  21. Mr48chev
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    I don't think a fair number of them even run well enough to worry about having to pass inspection. You don't have to pass a state inspection, have plates or insurance if you sneek it in, roll it off the trailer and into place and pose behind it until everyone else leaves and then put it on the trailer and back home again.
     
  22. The ones I've seen are on the road here in Jamestown NY ( and surrounding area) driving around and thinking they are cool... and some really are, others are a death trap. One guy I know builds and sells them and he gets huge $$$ for crapp. Other ones I've seen run around with dealer plates - one way around the inspection.
     
  23. FredK
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    I thought it was the "Elephant Man" hiding in an engine compartment. :D
     
  24. Proof that tools should be licensed like guns are
     
  25. yoyodyne
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    I would have said the same thing until I saw this - Here's the 63 tempest with the turbos mounted back at the rear axle -

    http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_0711_1963_pontiac_tempest_lemans/photo_07.html

    Watch it make a pass - listen to the tires chatter after it passes the tree -

    <object width="500" height="405">


    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/87Bx2oM0oj8&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="500" height="405"></object>
     
  26. All the the lasagna cars need is few gallons of bondo and you'd never know.
     
  27. MichaelDorman
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    Not if you had the mufflers mounted under your rear seat and built a heat shielded box with fresh air ducting. It would take a shit load of work, but if your lookin' to sandbag kids all night long at the drags, being sneaky is always hard work.

    saw a kid that had a 55 Chevy truck. told all the people it was a 235 with mild work, looked bone stock. Smoked everything but the baddest of the bad. Came to find out from a guy that did alot of engine work for my dad's cars that it was a GMC 302 that was heavily disguised and fed by a twin turbo setup hiding just behind the seat in a space created under a false floor. Really clever and well executed set up and you would never find it unless you tore the whole thing apart.
     
  28. deadgearhead
    Joined: Mar 14, 2009
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    Not to mention that turbos need to be close to the head to make the most use of the expansion of the hot exhaust gasses just like turbine engines.
    Or about 50 cheap ones...
     
  29. Nobodys Hero
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    Thats Beautiful
     
  30. VonMoldy
    Joined: May 23, 2005
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    from UTARRGH!

    pulled from STS turbo they answer this concern.

    "heat doesn't create velocity. Heat creates volume. If you look at any of the physics laws for gasses, you will find that pressure and volume and heat are related. PV=NRT is a popular one, The V isn't for velocity, it is for Volume. "

    http://www.ststurbo.com/
     

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