Pontiac an Orphan

Well, I just bought my first Pontiac 3 weeks ago (knowing that pontiac may disappear),a nd I don't regret it one bit. 2009 Pontiac G8 GT (361hp 6.0l). It looks awesome, and rides even better. The new G8/Commodore is what the GTO should have looked like.

Guess now, mine will be a collectors edition, seeing as how only 24,000 G8's have been sold.

Charles

 

Who just knocked Lexus from # 1 in reliability? OH Thats right Buick!!!! do some reading . Oh and by the way Toyota recalled more cars in the U.S. last year than they sold but not many people talk about that.

sorry I lied now I'm done

 

As a true Pontiac person, I have a few gto's and trans am's (older) I can tell you I'm sadden by this news and Pontiac started to die in 1982 when the stoped making there owen v8 motor's and became a re-badge car But take a look around at all that is going on right now and you have to think is this being done for a reason I mean it's all alot of very BIG company's and they are chasing them out of the country, Maybe someday we will be making a new car line here or two here again.

Oh and for the record I'm 40 and have NEVER Had anything by GM, or FORD Or Mopar in my or my parents or even my wife family driveway. I have a 99 f150 with 200,000 and never any problems and a f250 with 166,000 and never any problem and a 01 pt cruzer that my wife love.
I'm Proud of my American cars and would love to by a new challenger. So I guess this means no new trans am now. Puckers!!!!!

 

it is truely sad. i work and haved allways worked at GM dealerships.
ill miss the ol indian but progress is progress. you can only rebadge the same car over and over without diluting the market. does GM realy need to produce 3 or 4 of the same cars but with different nameplates?NO
well at least the dealer i work at just sold our PONTIAC GMC and just picked up CHEVROLET
so hopefully that will go a long way in securing a job for a little while

 

BTW, we all talk about "American Made", etc

My previous 2007 Camry was considered a "Domestic" (thanks to % of parts from USA and assembled in USA), while the new Mustangs are classified as "Imports" by the government.

My new G8, definetely an "Import" (assembled in Australia)

 

it's not the imports that caused the problems,it's the upper management at these companies,that wouldn't listen to what people wanted and built what they wanted. the designers came up with great cars,the engineers designed great cars, then they got destroyed by the corporate office. where are the unique engines between brands? if they are all the same under the skin,no wonder there is hardly any brand loyalty left. I always liked old buicks, then they became boring and stuffy cars for people who just wanted to go from point A to point B in their air conditioned, soundproofed, power seat equiped, boring POS. what young person wants something like that? it comes down to the decisions made in the boardroom, anyone knows in buisness if you don't build a product people want, they won't buy it,they will buy it from someone else. yea the newest cars are reliable and run for a long time,but it's too little too late, they should have been working on making them like that two decades ago. I will still buy an old american car, like i said i'm partial to 60's and 70's buicks, but all the new stuff coming out simply doesn't seem to have any soul. one of the reasons people say the love affair with Americans and the automobile is over is mst new cars have become nothing more then rolling living rooms. how do you love that? if they want to save companies,make cars exiting again,and fun to own and drive.

 

What a retarded statement. Read the independant quality tests.. Ford and Buick are up top. I am 32 and have had nothing but american cars except a few italian and one british. Maybe you should actually try another american car rather than just saying they are crap. It kinda hard to pass judgement on something when you haven't even had one that was built in the last 35 years.. How do you know they are crap? It's that kind of stubborn mentality that has made it so hard for american companies to recover from some shitty times in the mid 70s-early 80s.

I could care less if camrys are built here.. the profits go overseas so I don't consider them american or "domestic" in any way.

 

...thanks, I think

 

what has more soul the mustang,corvett,camaro, soltstice,skye,charger,challanger or camry,civic,altima..... The latter don't do anything for me

 

thank you!

 

I am lost. the big 3 are building cars and a majority of parts overseas, and they are loosing money (not making profits). At least the "japanese" are employing some americans.

 

I wonder if GM ever thinks about all the really dumb stuff they've wasted money on over the years?

Things like the Pontiac Aztec and Tran-Sport, or how about Fiero? How much money went down the tubes developing those car lines without much success?

Of course Hummer turned out badly too, but I'll bet Saturn sucked up plenty of capital also. Did it ever really produce much in sales? Lots of bucks spent on engineering totally separate lines of vehicles and separate factories plus dealer networks...pretty wasteful in hindsight.

Not that Chevy doesn't have some cash suckers too. That SSR pick-up raodster thing must have set them back a bit...the Avalanche pickup too. Big money to develop and implement production, but how many do you see roaming the highways?

Then there's Oldsmobile....oldest car name in the US and GM decides it should be revamped to compete with the high end Japanese offerings. Then they're surprised nobody buys Oldsmobiles anymore? So they fold up the brand. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Oldsmobile had a great following until they messed with the formula.

GM has a history of screwing things up though. How about the Corvair and other compacts of the early sixties? While Ford sold Falcons as fast as they could make them...GM introduced Corvair with air cooled rear engine, Tempest with half a V-8 and a rear mounted transaxle, Skylark & F-85 with aluminum V-8 engines and optional water-injected turbos....took a few years before they realized they should just build a Chevy II to compete with Falcon and Valiant.

Then in the 80's GM ignores the Mini-van craze for a while and once they get into it they come out with those vans that looked like the Space Shuttle. All the Star Trek and Jetsons fans bought one the first year and then the sales fell like a rock...DUH!

Recently they've watched Ford sell thousands of retro styled Mustangs while Camaro production was halted. Then they introduce a somewhat 1969 looking Camaro, but production delays kept them from the market until after the gas crisis killed 2/3 of the interest in performance oriented cars.

I don't know why GM tried to reinvent the wheel so many times...but the cost of some of their foolishness had to be huge!


PS...I like GM cars. My truck is a Chevy and I wouldn't buy a Ford or Dodge. I also have several GM cars including my race cars.

 

In case you havn't heard Toyota Nissan and Honda have not been doing very good either . Getting money from their governments and slowing or stopping production also. For the most part the cars G.M. builds over seas they sell over seas. Maybe your right you are lost do some research and get unlost.

 

Sony Employs americans too, but that doesn't make Sony the company American.... Buying from them, in the end, helps out japans economy, not ours.

Sure toyota and honda and BMW employ americans in american factories, and if people would stop using that lame excuse to "patriotically" buy japanese cars, then our own companies would be getting more business and in turn employing the same people. And in the end, an american company would be profiting from the business instead of a japanese or european company.

 

Well put on the skirts and spots and a little lowering job Maybe ! Nah

 

sadly not much anymore, i could get along with the Vette though.Most new cars are like riding inside of a marshmellow. Even the imports have lost it. I own a 25 year old accord,great little car,fun to drive, actually has personality, now I own a used 98 civic,has the personality of a turd,the new ones are butt ugly too. when i get the old one back on the road, my wife can drive the turd, have no interest in driving it,except at the moment i have to. If American car makers would make a car at a reasonable price that actually looked like a car, sounded like a car, and didn't make me feel like i was driving a couch down the road, I would push the dam civic over a cliff,and line up to buy one.

 

john56h - I think every company has it's share of mistakes.. Pintos? Foriegn companies aren't exempt either. Look at the first gen acura legends, made from Sterlings. Honda Ridgeline, Ferrari Mondial, VW Phaeton, Toyota Supra (last gen may have been fast, but didn't sell), Honda NSX, VW EOS, Mazda 3rd gen RX7s, or RX8s

some mistakes you listed weren't even that bad.. Corvairs sold 250k units the first year and peaked at 329k and 328k cars in the next 2 years.

 

the NSX was a great car,it was an exotic though, not really meant for the masses more of a car to show the brand.

 

I say give gm the bailout they were giving to those big credit card companies, all they do is screw us over trynna hikeup intrest rates and what not

 

What profits?

Without the government bailout (another 2 billion TODAY), you do of course understand that GM would have filed for bankruptcy in January?

The President is handling this correctly. Your ill informed political ideology has blinded you . . .

 

Prius?



toyota van , I'll take the aztec please

 

yes that dam van was one of the worst mistake they ever made, and the preius,well i'll be nice and won't say what i think of that.

 

I didn't mean it wasn't a good car. It just didn't sell well.

 

Ha well at least we agree on something right


If it isn't a hot rod they all suck

 

yea it was never really meant to, they lost money on every one,it was meant to bring attention to what they could do and their engineering.

 

my next ride.

 

all minivans suck, sadly i may have to buy one, have four grandkids now, and a fifth on the way,need the seats. maby i could hot rod an old school bus, that's an idea. even the minivan would be better then this civic. you know something is wrong when you hit a dog at 70 in your 86,and you need a new turn signal, your wife hits someone at low speed turning,and the entire front end falls off the 98, talking headlights needed, front bumper,radiator support, fender pushed up, There is NO bumper inside of that plastic, just a piece of foam. at least my 86 has a large steel beam under it's bumper cover.

 

MY EYES!! god i hate those dam things, don't you get them after sending off a certain number of cereal box tops?

 

I have chunks in my poop bigger than that and nicer looking too!!!

 

here's a novel idea, built a roadrunner .. no frills, bare bones, affordable, fun to drive, and sit back and watch them sell themselves