Autolite Spark Plugs - CHINA

Do you guys own Fram also? Ive never had a personal problem with running them on my stockers. I have seen exploded Frams and some with the paper coming apart, but werent mine. All my big motors run a racing filter with a high burst strength, amongst other features.

 

We do own FRAM. If you have seen a FRAM filter coming apart, there is some kind of issue with the vehicle oiling system. Any vehicle running higher than stock oil pressure should use a racing filter, they are more robustly built and have a much higher burst strengh. Alot of people talk smack about FRAM, yet we are OE on Honda's and Subaru cars, well known for engine longevity. We have made filters the same way since WW2. We make 150 million a year and have very few problems.

 

made in usa is made in Fostoria, Ohio

 

Thanks, What about the rust plugs. I might have missed that part.

 

Who cares if the plugs rust?
Non-issue

 

I've heard horror stories about pretty much every brand of plug out there. I guess it all boils down to what you've had the best experience with, but I will NEVER buy any parts that are made in China. I learned that the hard way on my daily driver, when I got out of round drums right out of the box. Cheap Chinese POS steel! I'd much rather pay the extra bucks to get something that is made here or in Canada or Europe. Mexico, I'm iffy on, but I'd take that over Chinese crap. Hell, I'd take something made in Iraq over that Chinese shit.

 

OK as for the Spark Plug Expert , he will never be man or women enough to come here and defend his name again ! Just like every other shit head that think the fucking Chinese can make a product as good as we did !

Now as for oil filters I like K&M or Wix because they filter the best .
Spark plugs I wish I knew where to get good ones now so if someone knows please post it for me .

Now as long as you go to that shitty store called HELL MART to buy your Chinese and any other 3rd world country stuff don't bitch when the shit falls apart the day after you buy it . I hate that fucking place ! I would go out of my way to by from someplace else before I go to that chinese retail shit store !

Now I buy my meat at a butcher that gets their meat from local farms in Pa. I am lucky to have that option .

Now until we all stop buying the shit from China we can't stand here and bitch about the shitty quality products as long as you still buy them ! We are the people that controls what the public buys and if we don't buy that Chinese shit then that will tell the government and these stores that WE AS AMERICANS WHAT PRODUCTS WE MAKE ! We are the only ones to stop those products from being sold in American . Remember if the shit isn't being bought then the retailers will have to find what we as Americans want . We have to stop being forced to buy foreign products !
We are out of jobs because of the damn government allowing US companies to farm out their products then shipping them back to the USA for us to buy . That if the biggest stab in the back that our country has done to us ! We voted for them and they screwed us so there is only one way to change the way things are . We must vote for people that will give us back our country and our jobs ! REFUSE to buy the foreign products !

I better stop before I really get started but I can't stand to see our country being forced to buy from other countries that will not buy from us ! What countries buy from the USA ? We must look after our own people and take care of our families before buying from foreign countries and putting money in their hands ! The government has to stop all the importing before the USA has nothing !

 

Whoa i just got off my graveyard shift at my blue collar union job in a mill and see this thread.. what a treat!!.. I'm glad there is alot of other like minded people out there about the made in usa issue.. I work in the wood products industry and i have to watch men and women with families to feed and provide for loose their jobs left and right because of foriegn products being made at cheaper prices.. Well folks cheaper prices, cheaper product.. I can't understand one thing though... Why the fuck has this motorking guy not been booted off yet.. He is obviously not into/owns a traditional hot rod or custom.. He is a white collar corporate lackey who is paid to cruise the net and try to smooth things over whenever someone says something bad about his company's product.. MOTORKING pay attention.. IF YOU WANNA SELL YOUR BULLSHIT LINE PUT IN FOR A JOB IN THE ADVERTISING DEPARTMENT.. I may be new here but this pisses me all the way off.. You can defend all you want but the fire has been lit.. and yes most of us would buy Japanese over Chinese.. Why? well for starters they have better standards.. and more importantly they aren't Pinko Commie Fucks who regulate and take advantage of the hard working peasant people to the point that they confine them to a life of poverty.. The lives of their citizens means nothing to the Chinese government so why would they car about the quality of their goods? I'll pay twice as much for something union made and made in america because i know the poor bastard sweating away in a mill or plant making my products can actually feed feed and clothe his family because he is earning a living wage...

 

I noticed Honda motors on Go Karts here in Asia the Honda engine made In Japan has better steel on the crank than the Honda engine made in China

 

I've seen two Fram filter bodies expand. Both were on stock imported engines. One Mitsu Mirage, 80s vintage and one 1.7 VW in my Plymouth Horizon. Both were in sub-zero temps on cold engines. The paper element came apart on my totally stock, 5w30 oiled V6 Dodge Dakota. They were all standard line filters. I'v purchased about a dozen standard Fram filters in 30 years. Two of them failed, four were used on my parts washer. I've not had a failure with NAPA, Wix, Purolator or Fleetline. That may not be a scientific sample, but for me there's no way I would use standard quality Frams for anything but the parts washer. Never have seen a problem with the racing quality parts. Maybe they were all vendor issues and not design or workmanship flaws.

 

I brought my USA made tools here to Asia to work on my Hot Rod after I tried to change the King Pins in my Chevy Luv and the f_cking Johnson bar bent almost 30 degrees on my Chinese made tools 3/4 inch drive.

I brought my Sears tools here ($69 including box 40 years ago) man they worked perfect.

I learned later while working for US Guys who invented tools and wanted to sell there designs to companies over here for manufacture and sale over here in Asia not for export that there are many qualities of steel in the tools made here in Asia and that you can buy high quality tools like we buy back home for the right price or cheap shit the bends for a cheap price.

 

OK, I sent an email to Summit Racing Equipment asking them to put the country of manufacture on their products in the catalog and website.

Not really a question but I'd like to see a "country of manufacture" on items on the website and catalog.
I'd like to be able to make the decision whether to buy U.S. or foreign made.

Please consider this, I think we could all benefit from buying American.

 

they will probably ignore you..like they did me

i asked the origin of manuf. of a part..and all they told me was .."it wasnt made here", but they wouldnt tell me where..and so i said shouldnt you state that in your catalog?..they said they didnt see why they should.

 

Good idea but a lot of work for them maybe they could have a section in there on line catalogs for USA made equipment. But you know example a carb has many parts and man were are the parts made all over I suspect.

I saw a guy ship shirts made in Asia back home and he got around the rules by finishing a few pieces of the shirts back home and thus put Made in USA.

There are rules and laws about foreign content on things before you can claim made in USA.

 

I agree on the China is shit. I have no problems with Nations that trade evenly and quality with America.
Its the fake American/Commies that are selling us out, plain and simple. It wouldnt be on the shelves here if a American didnt bring it for resale/sale for top dollar.
I have tryed to make a effort to purchase only American, and its hard to find. Also the assholes get away with putting the company address instead of manufactured address of product.
Bought tools from a name dealer lately and noticed made in america is not on alot of them anymore. The price didnt change.
I say phuck you to the Hippies that sold out America.

 

You know most of the people in China are capitalists because off all the trade with them from western countries. The government call its self Communist but the people are capitalists. Every one wants a car and every one wants there own land or house the people are pretty much the same as you and me.

The people who went to china to manufacture and take advantage of cheap labor were real old style capitalists not Hippies these guys and have hit the home markets in USA real heavy I know one guy who controls 80 to 90 % of the work gloves made in New York state he started with hardly anything over here and it took years for him to get it right get his people trained and buy the right equipment but now he is big time and last time i talked to him he claimed 80 to 90 % that's a heck of a lot of gloves and big money.

 

You know guys when i came here to Asia I eventually brought my car a T- Bucket, tools, records, books, lamps, pillow cases, bed and my dog. My dog is dead and I am old now but there sure are a lot of dogs around my house that look like him as no one ties there dogs up here and he was in 7th heaven screwing everything that walked. All in all I have no complaints I miss home sure but I have learned a hell of a lot and life is okay.By the way my spark plugs all come from America I import them from USA.

 

Fullhouse. I understand capitolism, your friends drive and ambition to make money. Being sucsessfull is tough, and bringing success to others is great also.
How much success would you send to a country that openly hates America and the living standerds for the working class is pretty bad. Sure its the goverment over there but your freind reaps the rewards.
I would preffer to see the people in my own country have some of the rewards from manufacturing and supplying this company. Not just low paid stocking and distributing. He may employ a 50 workers here, over there 100s.
America is hurting itself for long term survival with low cost disposible goods from other countries.

 

Sorry to sound off but between the gas prices and all the damn imports , we as Americans are getting screwed big time to the point of loosing our jobs and our homes to live and feed our families .What happened to the AMERICAN DREAM ? The government has sold us out to every fucking foreign country out there ! The regulations on imports have gone to nothing so the foreign countries have taken over our jobs and lives . This will not stop until the damn government puts a stop to it . If we as American have got it all made , then when are our people not working ? Because every other country has taken our jobs away . If the government wouldn't have been so happy to help out all these damn foreign countries then we would have jobs and home to live in . If you have a problem with your credit cards or anything like that , try and talk to someone that can speak English ! Those people are working for the credit card people in fucking INDIA ! Now even the bill collectors are foreigners ! So I guess that means the foreign countries are giving us the credit then raise the interest rates so damn high we can't even pay them off ever ! Where has all the AMERICAN businesses gone ??
If you go out to buy an AMERICAN FLAG guess where they are now made , YEP , IN FUCKING CHINA ! Look at the cheap flags that are being sold in all the store we shop in and turn the package over to see where they are made ! This has got to be the lowest thing that could happen to our flag ! The flag we fought for and our children have died for and the flags are made in china ! This really sucks the big one !
Go fill out an application for anything now and we as AMERICAN'S are not even first on the list of your nationality ! Why is it that we as AMERICANS have to have other languages printed on something when this is AMERICAN. Go to any other country and if you want to eat or buy something you better know how to speak their language or you will not get anything ! Our schools have to have SPECIAL teachers to teach children from other countries in their language , not ENGLISH ! Why is every foreign person that comes to the USA so damn special ? Where has all the AMERICANS GONE !!
OK I AM DONE BLOWING SOME STEAM OFF !!
It's just how I feel about my country as an AMERICAN !

OK where can I buy good spark plugs out there ? I need some for my AMERICAN made Ford ! Need some good quality and I am not going to use Champion , NGK or Autolite ! How are the E3 , AC delco , Acell & Bosch ?

Thanks for all your support !

 

Gas is like $1.30 a gallon on the average cheaper in May 2009 than it was in May 2008.

Just an observation.

 

Fram filters have been proven to one of, if not, THE worst name brand filter on the market, mainly due to the fact they use cardboard end-caps on the filter media, which becomes soaked with oil and fails long before the scheduled 3,000 mile oil change interval.

To someone else who posted, AC Filters have been sold off to Champ, same people who make STP filters along with tons others. They have gone down in quality. If you want GOOD filters, Bosch, WIX, Mobil 1, K&N (same as mobil one, but with a nut welded on the end). Good way to cheat to see the quality of a filter is to look for a red anti-drainback valve in the end of the filter. That shows they have a silicone anti-drainback valve, a normal sign of a quality filter.

 

Harder to buy gas when you are out of work.



The price of oil went down for the same reason it went up. No reason.

 

and another thing to think about while were at it..price of a barrel of oil went down..but the price of gas is going up..so what T F is up wit that?

 

BTW, anyone wanting to really check out filters should read this page;

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

Guy did EXTENSIVE testing/research into nearly every name brand of filter. See how Fram fares.

 

Yeah most HAMBers if they have been on here at leat 2 years or more know that Fram sucks ass..its the newbe MotorKing that has'nt gotten the inner-company memo yet

 

I read about the Fram filters too . Pure junk and that's why all the oil change places use the , CHEAP !
The particles that are NOT trapped by the Fram filters is very high . Fram lets more junk go through their filters than anybody else's . I read that K&N , WIX & Purolator were the best 3 top quality filters you can buy ! WIX & Purolator filters have been around forever and you can go to any parts store and still buy them . They are at a very fair price too . The K&N is also very good . All 3 filters are less than $10 ! That is a cheap price to pay for quality !

 

After reading all of this thread, a couple of thoughts come to mind.

1) Constructive criticism is mostly a good thing...screaming at someone is not. Whether you agree with Mr. Buckley's statements or not, he seems to be the appropriate person at Honeywell to receive your opinions and pass them on to "the powers that be". You want to buy American-made products and are willing to pay more for them...I'm guessing that he will be quite willing to do what he can to help this cause. Screaming at people, insulting them personally, or ridiculing their companies isn't likely to make ANYBODY inclined to help.

2) This isn't directed at anyone in this thread...but I find that even those folks who shout about "only buying American" often tend to shop price, a lot more than they admit. The causes of this problem are varied & complex, but I'd suggest that you talk (constructively ) directly to your Congressional representative and/or Senator about making it easier for American companies to compete against imported goods....and encourage your friends to do the same.

3) The reason why his first post looks weird is that he wrote it in Microsoft Word, & then copied/pasted it to the H.A.M.B. The text looks fine until you actually post it...then some of the Microsoft formatting "jargon" comes up as H.A.M.B. forum text. In addition, the typeface appears as a smaller size and different font than the H.A.M.B. standard. It's happened to me as well as others...you have to edit the text once it's posted. No Chinese computer, or anything else. Not everything is a friggin' conspiracy!

4) In case you want to classify this post as ball-washing, read some of my posts about Fram filters & their quality control, or lack thereof. Their racing filters are not bad (though I use other brands), but the regular replacement-type filters seem to have problems even with stock engines. At any rate, I'd like us to at least have a rational discussion with the man, even if I do dislike some of his employers' products (not HIS products).

 

At least companies in Germany and Japan are on level playing field. China has practically no regulation, no environmental control, no quality control, no employee benefits, etc. etc. Is it any wonder their production costs are lower? If our companies could dump their sewage in the ground behind their plants, fire sick workers at no cost, and pay the wages the Chinese do, we could match the China price here, no problem. The whole thing comes down to one issue: money saved by moving business to China shows up on the bottom line and the fat cats running the company are richly rewarded for achieving that result. Everyone else gets screwed. Nice business model for a select few. Not for the rest of us.

 

My experience is slightly different than many of yours. Yesterday I set out to get spark plugs, im new to the under-the-hood experience, so I had no idea what to look for. For a start, I pulled out an old spark plug out of my 52 GMC, they were CHAMPION RJ12YC and read MADE IN USA, so I thought hell yes ill just get the same exact ones from pepboys. I got a package of the exact same ones, bought them and walked out of the store (my first mistake, look at sparkplugs before you buy!) I happened to look at the package just to see where it was made in, and it was MEXICO, so I thought, at least it is not China. I pulled one of the spark plugs out of the box, and there was a white powder all over them, the spark plug threads were terrible and there were tiny metal fragments all over.

Since pepboys were out of everything else, i went to autozone, talked to a guy there, and he told me flat out that CHAMPIONS are just low quality period, so he pointed me towards AUTOLITES, they were made in CHINA, but they were one hell of a lot better quality for just 10 cents more.

My only complaint with the AUTOLITES was that about half of them did not have the gap set correctly, even though it was pretty close. So now, I must return the horrible CHAMPIONS for my $13. If it was not for the fact that I needed new spark plugs pretty bad, I would have bought better stuff on the internet, I will NEVER again spend $13 on spark plugs, ill go for the E3's or somthin like that instead.

Just remember, I know how you guys feel, I have been feeling the pain in the computer world, I build custom computers, and the only good quality parts that I can find is RAM and Power Supplies that are made by SUPER*TALENT, and MADE IN USA, that is one reason why im trying to start up a company called TRILOBYTE that will use all the MADE IN USA parts or anything other than China that I can possibly find.

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE, IT IS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION
We might get good attention if you go to Ron Paul forums, or if you live in Texas email your congressman Ron Paul.

 

Like i said earlier i think we are missing the point.. his first post looked funny cause it was written in Microsft Word right? well that's because is it a saved document on his work computer.. and he sits in an office and cruises online forums that are car related, then whenever he sees something negative said about his companies product he joins the forum, then cuts, copies, and pastes that generic response in the discussion to try to put down the fickle mob.. Am i the only one that finds this offensive that his company has so little respect the forum that they think this kind of thing is ok.. It may say FNG under my name in my posts but i know damn good and well I'm on this forum for the right reasons, and that is a love and passion for traditional hot rods and customs, not to put down any dissention about my company's product