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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by dawg, Jun 23, 2009.

  1. 2manyprojects
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    New Shelby $100,000.00 Hdrogen ket installed +$49,000.00
    Top Speed 140.mph, 0-60 4sec 80 mile range

    No thanks i'LL JUST GO GET ANOTHER BEER AND TINKER WITH WHAT i GOT
     
  2. Don't they only work on chinese steel?

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  3. dawg
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    in almost any engine you can think of, the heat is wasted...

    why not use the heat available to split the H2O ?...
     
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  5. RichG
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    ...well, for one thing, it's an electrical process. I'm sure heat can be used to enhance the outcome, but it's not the primary source of energy needed for separation.
     
  6. Da Tinman
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    Maybe we should ask this guy,,,
    einsteinaw7.jpg
     
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    Now that's something I can support!
     
  9. dawg
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    so heat up a thermocouple to make the elctricty to separate, and spin an alternator with the thrust to make electricty for a drive motor?...
     
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    I don't know 'bout you guys, but I certainly am proud to have been a part of this one...

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    The smoker you drink, the player you get
    joe walsh
     
  12. RichG
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    You have just enough grasp of concept to almost make sense...don't stop taking those ESL cl***es, they'll pay off sooner or later:D
     
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  14. dawg
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    sorry, my bad... :D
     
  15. sliderule67
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    Awfully close to the big "V", and you know what that means........
     
  16. RichG
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    Don't be sorry...now I've got Rube Goldberg machines dancing around in my head!:p
     
  17. dawg
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    so it burns at like 3000 degrees right, seems like it makes about twice the energy as anything else?...
     
  18. I'm thinking that would be umpossible, umlikely and umwise.

    Couldn't we just harness and bottle cow farts? That would have to be capable of creating enough heat for fusion I would think.
     
  19. dawg
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    or maybe my ex wife, but it might be too dangerous...
     
  20. BigBlockMopar
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    If you can keep this energizing infotopic under the radar for another year it might gather enough m*** to produce it's own gravity... Much like certain women who sometimes even have a husband-satellite orbitting them... ;)
     
  21. Um...not being a ****..(at least, no more than usual...:D )....but you might want to check into some basic physics and chemistry.

    The energy required to "split" water, which actually means to break the covalent bond between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms, is far greater than the possible energy that is produced. It's a nice idea, but impractical in real life. Certain methods of doing this also produce a secondary reaction which makes chlorine gas. Oops.

    In addition, in most water, there are various impurities that must be dealt with- either to keep them from being released into the air, or to keep them from damaging the machinery. You've probably all boiled a pan of water on the stove, and observed the thin white film of minerals on the pan sides (or bottom, if ya forgot about it and the pan boiled dry). Water heaters have much the same problem. Steam-powered cars do too, as did locomotives...thus their replacement by the internal combustion engine.

    Purified water is more expensive to produce...and there go the costs upward again.

    The whole problem with finding alternative sources of energy: the solution has to be more cost-effective, overall, than the old source it replaces. This includes dealing with byproducts. That's one of the chief arguments against ethanol...it costs more to produce than the gasoline it replaces, comparing "produced" energy from each. The corollary to this is that the production of ethanol creates byproducts which can be sold and used for other purposes, so it's more complicated than it seems. OTOH, though, the demand for corn for ethanol production has sharply driven up food costs- less available grain to feed cattle, and less grain for corn-based food products.

    Not trying to burst your bubble- thinking out of the box is what made this country the most innovative in the world; but unfortunately at this point, there are no easy solutions.
     

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