I know dozens of HotRods here in the NW running these tires and never have heard of any problems with them , Its also nice working with people that walk the walk and talk the talk , they live and breath traditional HotRods. If you are ever in Oregon City stop by there shop and have a visit , you well enjoy that visit. Edsel
This is what the beads looked like on both tires that "NEGATIVEMATT" sent back. Seems tires were damaged when installed or remouved. Tire sitting for years with low to no air could cause what you see in picture.
Most Michilins (like the ones pictured above) i've mounted have a litte more flex at the bead than the Goodyears/Firestones and need a little caution when mounted. The rubber seems softer there as well than the others. Otherwise Michilins IMO are the best tires available. Have you guys ever capped a 255/70 15? On my 8" wheels they are 29" tall with 11" section width. 30" is too tall for what I need.
Mabye so, but mine were junk from the start. Had patches inside them too. I got an old recap that's many years old that haven't come apart so I dunno? Hard lesson learned I suppose.
I'm having a hard time understanding this, how is the tire to blame? What does a ripped bead have to do with a tire cap of any kind ?.... NOTHING. Now if you chew up a bead mounting it and the side wall starts swelling.... You should consider yourself lucky it held air at all and the tires took the damage instead of a rim. These tires as are most recaps are a little stiff to mount... The inside slips right on the rim with a little soap on the bead without using the machine, while nothing major but with less give in the center of the tire it takes a little more effort to get the outer bead over the lip of the rim. Its not like wrestling a 40 series onto some ghetto spinners, but more like some wide bias 60s from days gone by. From mounting mine a few weeks back I can see how a lack of patience, skill and/or experience could easily cause the pictured damage. All it would take is standing on the rotation pedal until it popped instead of working the slack around the tire as you go. I can't say anything about any patches being in your tire or not. I do find that hard to believe as even if you were going to cap a junk tire with known punctures you don't need to patch the tire in the first place. Even an abnormally large hole would be plugged if anything and trimmed to the surface. ******************************************************** Yes, anyone should know, modern slicks, that have evolved since the 65 wrinkle walls fazed out the use of the recap slick as people could afford them. Though someone is sure to post the obvious and ten other street rodder readers are sure to jump the bandwagon and agree anyway, it is common sense that those new slicks are better suited to competition use. For those that care about what their car looks like and intend to use a vintage type slick of some kind.... I spent quite a while looking at tires before buying the Hurst slicks pictured which I fully intend to find any and all limits of. Having gotten to talk with M/Ts reps before they originally came out (13 years ago or more) with the appearance, quality and seeing them in action over the years, I was biased toward buying a pair. Looking at them now try to find two that are close to same size. Cash in hand at Carlisle I couldn't....They are much thinner than before and largely cupped in the center even when inflated. I can not think of a reason other than being cheap of why they look like this now but make your own call. Maybe the extra rubber they saved paid for the fruity looking flag pattern you can get now. With that I also had a decent chance at a pair of new Firestones on the cheap through a family contact, other than a personal dislike for the design, these were my second choice. After tips here on the Hamb about these, they have a pronounced crown to them, mounted or not, even aired up or down. If you don't have any horsepower but want to make smoke this is your tire. While there is much to a tire the naked eye can not see that counts, after looking them all over and talking to guys that run them I have to agree that the Hurst are not only the best value but the best tire you can get of this type at this time. The only thing any unsprung weight consicous buyer may want to know is these are rather heavy, which on a solid rear axle Digger or Altered this should work in your favor. Make your own choice, just look at them first hand before deciding, and ask people you trust questions....I know where my money is going.
^^^^^^ Well said. The tires and wheels above will look great on damn near any car, even mine. I'm officially jealous! And if they're Hurst, Cody will stand behind them, as always.
Where was it stated here that the bead caused the cap failure on this tire? If the proper tire pressure was maintained, than I would be looking furthur into the tire or cap as the cause.
I gotta tell ya I am very happy with my Hurst Tires. Cody new the exact size to fit under my '55 and they look great! Good service and good product IMHO. It is inevitable that someone will have problem, but it seems most people are very happy with them.
I think I sould own stock in Hust Tires, for as many sets that I've got from them for my own cars and my customers cars . Never any problems and Cody is about the most honest guy I know. My stuff is shipped when he saids. If he dont have it he tells you ,no BS at all. I wish all the dealers I deal with were half as good as Cody Marshall Thunfield Rod & Custom
Vance, Thanks man.. It was not stated, however it would be a likely cause of such a separation in the pictured tire. Ripples or separations in the side wall often have a point where air from the tire has gotten in between the layers of the tire. Now no tire maker is flawless and I have seen many generally similar problems on brand new otherwise perfect appearing tires. There is some overlap before buffing (when it is done) but generally a cap does not extend to this part of the tire, as a matter of fact these are buffed whitewall tires in this case which means it is not the cap that is the problem because there is no cap in this area. Also lets say the capping process on a blemished internally but otherwise new and thought to be perfect tire brought out a pocket in the side wall, it should be apparent from the start, not two years later. Now as you and others have said, pressure would be a concern, and can produce break down of the side wall like this. It is a slick, and what do you generally do with any slick for traction? Air it down, on any slick, any tire driving around on it this way is going to kill the tire. Depending on how low the tire is the sidewall becomes the main thing holding up the tire itself. On most new radial tires they give as a unit as they air down and while this still damages the tire if its driven on the give of the tread section allows the sidewall to live. Now if you take a look at a zippered skin off a semi-truck its the sidewall that fails more often than not. This is because when aired down the ridged cap of a retread limits flex, this lack of give means the sidewall has to accept more of the load and is on a bind between the bead seat and the stiff cap section. Failure is also related to how many miles are on the casing, its condition overall, the number times the tire has been capped before and caps can be thicker for longer wear than even the original tread. With recaps, anything other than an event where the cap rubber chunks or starts to release from casing from poor quality rubber or process is not related to the cap. ******************************************************** I hope anyone who does have a problem calls, and it is righted which talking to Cody I'm sure it would be handled fairly. I have to admit even knowing how good a recap tire can be, and wanting the nostalgia of the era I was not fully into the idea at first of buying a capped tire when new designed and molded tires are available. My other concern was that Ron Hurst or any successor did not actually own the company being a lot is often lost in the mix when a company changes hands. After my research and talking to Cody I thought it was worth a shot and could be no worse than what I'd seen... There is a reason people like me that barely know this man back him up like this. You can tell when someone at least gives a damn enough about his product to stand behind it.
Nice pun! - Mine too - I've put many miles and a few burnouts on these things, NO PROBLEM. I had a pair on a previous car, no problems, handle & ride great. Stay off the freeway in torrential rain, unless you're an adrenalin junkie -other than that you wouldn't know they're not regular radials. One fender on my '40 cuts into the sidewall/shoulder cornering with people in the back - I've really abused these tires, and they hold up well. BUY SOME!
I've got about 1000 miles on mine (hi-boy 32 coupe). People cautioned me that I'd be hugging guardrails in the rain. I've driven them in the rain, and they pretty much go where the steering wheel is pointed. I cheat by slowing down though I have my tires mounted to some old Halibrands. These magnesium wheels were notorious for being hard to balance. Tire company put on about 15 ounces on each wheel to get close, but the weights flew off at about a 100 miles, and I just run the rear wheels and tires unbalanced now. At 60 MPH on the freeway (my MPG cruise setting), there's no noticeable vibration. Cops haven't ever bugged me, but I drive like an old man, so I'm invisible...
i wouldnt put them on a go cart. my buddy gasser 57 bought a brand new set when they came out. within 200 miles the caps started seperating from the core. giant crack around (pie crust). he callled them up and got every excuse in the world but zero satisfaction. they wouldnt even replace them. i had another buddy do 1 burnout at the track with them on an 11.50 car and had the caps fly right off the car. i heard the ownership has changed since then but whoever owns them now has a legacy of manufacturing defects to overcome. get radirs instead. new one piece tire not recapped i have several racing budddies that beat them to death and burn them to the cords and not one tire failure.
Once again I have used them on several cars..Not once had any issues.And the customer service there RULES!
I love mine. Second set Ive owned, and sort of built the car around them. Almost 1000 miles on this set now.
I saw the tires with my own eyes. they were junk. does the phrase "seeing is believing" mean anything to you "I" was never foolhardy enough to buy them in the first place. everybody seems to be drinking the Hurst flavored kool-aid have fun with your splitting new/ used tires. just trying to save people from buying questionable products. read the replies before me . im not the only one who thinks these are bad quality tires. but i guess you just ignored all the other posts and decided to jump my***** for no reason. thanks lowlife
I had a set on my 55Buick for 8-9years. I just took them off this spring because the countless miles and burnouts wore them through the recap down to the original carcass. They did NOT come apart, the centers of the 'tread' area is worn out, the outer edges worn nearly away. Miles upon miles with no trouble. The only difference is that I had a set of new www bias plies done, as opposed to radials. However, a big difference is how the radial and bias ply sidewalls flex under use-as Algon posted above. And I highly doubt 'your buddy' bought the tires from Ron Hurst 'when they first came out'...Hurst had been making them the same way since about 1959. He might have bought them when HE first heard about them. Seeing is believing, if you know what you are seeing. What tire pressures were your buddies running? Most people who run the old style tires (recap or not) know that for a better footprint, you usually run HIGHER pressure, not lower. The best way to find the correct pressure is to do a few dryhops and see what the contact patch is. If you try running them at 6-8 psi like most new style slicks, only the side edges make contact. Different setup for different styles...
whatever man thats like comparing the new ansen company products to the original ansen stuff from the sixties o.k.,break's over everybody back to your kool-aid
My question, is do you own a set of Radirs that were purchased recently? I was under similar thought at one point, but after seeing how cheap they now are compared to when they came out I no longer have this opinion. Maybe others will have a different experience to add, but when I tried to buy their tires at the Spring Carlise not one were the same size, cupped severely, and much less than round. There was no way I giving up $650 for tires like that. Which by the way is the reason I drove six hours to Carlise just to wade through $25,000 rat rods and lawn tractor parts was to buy a set of 10x15x30 slicks from Radir or Coker.... Coming home empty handled after paying all those tolls really burned me. Other posts here on the Hamb have mentioned similar problems. I still think it would be cool to try each piecrust versus another on a consistant 10 second or better 4link or adjustable ladder bar bracket car. Something that will outright shred a good modern slick, make it as fair as possible, and break down what hooks, what lasts, what pressure worked best etc. It would be nice to get the tire places to chip in pairs for compairson but that would also bring out a chance of "ringers". Maybe have raffle or something to pay for the tires, buy them at shows and see what they really do as they are sent to any customer. Far fetched yes but it would be a fair way to answer questions, and opinions with current facts...
pour me some of the Kool-aid, I'll be putting some on my Shoebox next spring, gonna need some more gription...
I have 2 sets of Hurst pie crusts, I am very pleased with them. The customer service from Cody & Steve at Hurst is second to none in my opinion (which is refreshing these days). I had one small issue with one tire, it was cosmetic not structural, so I was not sure how they would respond. They had me send the tire in, they sent me a new replacement with no charge, not even shipping! Really stand up guys, they are great to deal with.
I'm thiking of picking up some for my chevyII. and was wondering if any of you guys use them on the highway? they say not for highway use but someone here must run them on the highway? Any problems/reccomendations?
Concure with Marshalls statement. I have known lots of guys up here in the NW who run Cody's tires with nothing but good words. Plus Cody and his ol man are stand up guys. Eric
I ran mine from Dayton, OH to Louisville, KY at 65-75 for the 170 mile, three hour drive and had no issues. I had 8" wide tires and they actually seemed to find the 'groove' pretty easily and ran great. Two trips to Columbus on them too! I'll be ordering another identical set for my next project, and O/T car and can't wait. Be expecting a call Cody! Vance
Marcus, I forget what Cody told me when I asked him, it was a while ago. Call him and he'll help you out with the right pressure for the coupe. Vnace
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