help dont know the size of my small block ford

Makes sense, I'm still learning myself. I'm only graced with the 221's, lol. Bob has a registry started for do***enting the HiPo blocks in their run order. The thing is, each block in the run order could have ended up in a Galaxie, Mustang, Fairlane, etc...

I had a brainfart on the production numbers. 1963 K code cars were 1200-1300, and 1964 blocks were about 3 times that amount. So if this 1963 car was not a K-code car, I would use a different engine, and allow someone looking for a true HiPo engine for their K-code car. The money for that 289 would certainly pay for any built engine desired, short of a 427, lol.

EDIT: If it is a HiPo engine, as T-Time said.

 

K-code Comets had the Ford D-code 4-barrel 289 (with a bigger carb). HiPo Comets (very very few) had a blank for the engine code!

 

If it is a K-code engine. I don't think that's been established just yet. He will need to see the maincaps to know. And, he'll need to look at the numbers on the ends of the heads to see if it has HiPo heads. HiPo heads are 19, 20, and 21.

 

Hipo heads say "HP" or something like that if you pull a valve cover. Then there are some differences with spring pockets and screw in rocker studs.

 

No need to pull the valve covers. Just need to look at the numbers on the end of the heads.

 

HI-PO heads have two dots cast into the head above the 289. I don't think the numbers mean ****.

 

The casting number on the heads are 19, C4OE-6015-BA is what it reads and above that it says 6010. so is it a HiPo or not and how would any one know when i pop the hood at car shows?

 

i doub't it is a hipo ! solid lifter engines so if you beat on em your gonna have to pull the valve covers and adjust the rockers every 2-3,000 miles ! should have an extra thick harmonic balancer if it's a hipo , pull a valve cover and look to see if the spring cups are cast in ! very doubtfull the previous owner had a hipo motor in a non hipo car and wouldn't have known it ! what you probably have is an early 260-289 !

 

does it have a 2 barrel or 4 barell intake ? stock ford intake ?

 

If the heads have a 19 in the corners, they are HiPo heads. Dumprat is right about the two dots, and wrong about the numbers.

I can't find any source listing a C4OE-6015-BA block. [Edit: I found a reference to a C4OE-6015-BA block and there is controversy as to whether or not it is a HiPo, or whether it was a Mexican 302 block, which has heavy-duty main caps similar to a HiPo block. Either way, you win. They are both great blocks.]

At a car show, those that know HiPos will know by the end number on the head and by the wider harmonic balancer. There are other identifiers, but they may not be on your engine if its been modified (such as carb, fan spacer, exhaust manifolds, distributor, fan, etc. etc.)

 

2 barrel in take

 

271hp 289s also had a counterweight behind the thicker balancer. they came with dual point distributors, and I think the intake was aluminum. Like the others said, pull the valve covers (should be chrome from the factory) and if it doesn't have screw in studs for the rockers, it isn't a 271 hp 289. Also, the O in C4OE designated Fairlane in those years, if that makes any difference. Those early 5-bolt 289s were great little engines and the smaller bellhousing gave more room for engine swaps.

 

I used to Have a 63 Fairlane 2 dr hdtp. with a 260.. it was a strong engine.. lasted for ever.. it was a Nice looking car also.. Hope you find your answer..

 

ok and on the top of my trans it has a big 22 whats that and some on told me its a 2 speed auto but it wont shift itself i have to shift it my self but it leaks alot of fluid. how can i find what trans i have ? oh and the guy i got it off of didnt know anything about cars he restored tracktors and got this to work on and decided it was to far over his head.

 

http://www.hipomustang.com/images/hipoeng/ compare yours to here

 

Nope. Not necessarily. Could be painted gold. Or, if it came out of a Shelby, they could/would be aluminum.

 

According to Bob Mannel, he said that the 289's came with the goldish colored valve covers, and dealers either added the Shelby kit, or put on chrome valve covers of their own. Anything to boost sales. Can't be 100% sure, though.

Oh, and the 22 doesn't really mean anything. Factory auto would be a Ford-O-matic, but if the engine is swapped in, then it's possible it's an early C4.

 

Per Bob Mannel: “All HiPo heads found so far have carried a 19, 20, or 21”. Mustang & Ford Small Block V8, 1962-1969

 

ok the exhaust manifolds in that are the same ones on my mistery motor i have not opened it up cause it ran great the only reasom i pulled it was to paint it and clean it up.

 

Then look at the front for an oil fill in the timing cover, and the harmonic balancer.

 

Didn't the hi-po 289's have screw in studs from the factory?
But without guide plates?
Damn...I forget all this ****....
I remember dots too, they were all solid lifter, as well, correct?
I have a book somewhere...but, they don't all cooberate, either...Ford is kinda funky sometimes...

 

Your memory ain't that bad, lol.

I would say by this point, there aren't any sure signs saying it's not a HiPo....which seems odd, IMO.

 

Indeed!

The only book that can be trusted on the HiPo is Mannel's...and it has many errors,, which he does a great job of correcting with an online changes update at http://www.fordsmallblock.com/PDF/changes rev 11-20-2006.pdf.

 

Haha...It just gets worse everytime I try to learn something new!
I forget the old stuff.
By the time I'm 50, I probably won't even be able to log on here anymore!

 

And in his FCA forums. Not to get too far OT, but I wouldn't mind spending time with Bob picking his brain.

 

Shelby 289s were rated at 306 hp. and had Cobra valve covers. I have never seen a 271hp 289 with anything but chrome valve covers. Not saying they don't exist, just that I've never seen one. Another point of confusion concerning early 289s are the painted valve covers that came on some engines that had 289 Special decals. All these I've seen are two barrel engines. An old time Ford mechanic told me that those were from a factory promotion deal similar the the later Sprint Special promos. Also, there were some early Cobras built with 260 engines, and maybe some prototypes with 221s. I don't know any specs on the 260 Cobra engines, but I've seen some quarter mile times that indicate they were real screamers.

 

The Shelby 289 was just a 289 HiPo with a few tweaks from Shelby.

Shelby Mustang 289 Hipo: The 306HP Shelby Hipo had the addition of a high-rise alloy intake (same as the Edelbrock F4B), 715CFM Holley carb and tubular steel Try-Y headers and low restriction mufflers to the standard 289/271 Hipo.

289 Hipo engine as modified for FIA compe***ion Cobras: According to Ken Miles: Cobra engines began life as a box stock 271 H.P. 289. Oil Pan was replaced by a 8qt baffled unit. Oil pickups were reinforced. Bore was opened up .006. Ring gap was set at.018 Rods were polished and 427 rod bolts installed.. Crank, flywheel and dampners balanced as unit. Crank oil holes relieved. Clevitte T-77 bearings were used. Block oil supply modified. Heads were fitted with 1.875 intake and 1.650 exhaust valves. Ported and chambers polished. Compression ratio was set to 11.6:1. Ignition static set at 8-1`2 degrees and total advance at 34-40 degrees. The standard 271 cam engine after these mods was 330 H.P. They also used two other cams, the Sullivan and Engles which put out as much as 370 H.P. Engine redlines were 6000 endurance and 6500 sprint. Street production Cobras got the standard 289/271 Hipo engine.

The 260 used in the Cobras was the "260-HP". I don't know much about it. I do know that the casting number on the intake was C2OE-K (also had a SK number on it that I don't recall off the top of my head). It had a 10:1 compression ratio. It had 260 horsepower. Optional speed parts would take it up to 335 horsepower!

If I recall correctly, the marketing name for the standard 260 was the "Challenger V8". The 289 was the "Challenger V8 Special". I think that is where the "289 Special" decal had its origins. This was in 1963 and 64. In 1965, the 289 2V became the Challenger V8 and the 289 4V (non-Hipo) became the Challenger V8 Special.

Most 1963 Hipos that I've seen had the gold valvecovers and air cleaner. (BTW, the 1963 Galaxie 289 2V had cream white valve covers and air cleaner.) Most 1964's that I've seen have chrome valve covers. As far as I know, the chrome 1963 covers were not used on any engine other than the 1963 Hipo, so the dealer could not get them from the parts bin from some other application. But, it is much easier to get the chrome covers for the 1964's, since they came on the Sprint, and swap them on. The 1963 chrome valvecovers are "baldy's" with no hole for pvc. The '64 covers have a bit of a pent roof, and do have a hole for pvc.

But...this is carrying us pretty far off topic.

 

Now that everyone is totaly confused I'll throw this in the mix,click on: www.mre-books.com/interchange/index.html then under Small Block Ford click on cylinder block.Your numbers indicate a 1964 289 w/5 bolt bellhousing.

 

Chrome rocker covers were used on the 260 engine in the '63 Falcon Sprint with the driver's side having a Sprint emblem mounted on it.

 

Don't really think this is too far O/T at all. I just wish my memory was as good as yours. That's good stuff for anyone trying to identify a 45 year old sbf, and maybe you have given some info here to help the original poster identify his engine.