Lets see some some Slick 60s F100s!

Try Pep Boys..their Cornell brand is made by Cooper...very good tire with a 1" WW I believe...

 

6narow,
I'd like t get the 57 F350 down to about 4:11's thats pleanty of pulling power for me. Guess I better get educated on Dana60/70 gear changes and save myself some $$$$$$$!! That and the 57 also has 17.5" tires too try and get that at you local tire shop.

Michael

 

heres mine

 

Like the stance and what you did to this. I saw it in a earlier post great looking truck, and the price was right too.

Michael

 

Thanks for the advice BIGREDTOD, I will hit them first. My thirty five year old dogs are starting to bark, LOL. Youre truck has got a good looking stance.

I really like the malkintent stance too. Which way did you go to get that effect? Anyway, I couldn't help but notice the little feauture on the B pillar. I zoomed in pretty close and I'm wondering is that a real bullet hole?! Gangster, ha!

 

nope magnetic, my 4 year old thought it should have it,

who am i to say no,

 

got my 61 home

plans to flip the axels , keep the 6 , and drive it
going to use the stock wheels in from and some 15x8 steels out back
what tires size should i run for a nice rake?
crapy cell pics

 

cool.. gonna leave'er orange?

 

for now i might paint the bumpers and the grill white the door handels have been shaved so they need some help

 

love the color, im thinkin of shaving the handles to.

anyone have any pics
or a install thread?

just saw a merc that the switch was under the side trim, he saved down the trim from the back so it was paper trim,
super cool

 

This is the 65 F100 that tows our race car, The Wild Child, a 65 Falcon A/FX (a real one).

Joe

 

thats cool as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i've been lookin for some pics of that one.

 

I had another friend who had a '64 GMC and his truck originally came with 17.5" wheels too.
Back then (late 80's) he couldn't find any tires sized to fit those wheels, so he swapped on a set of 16.5" mags (white spokers, actually, I think) and shod the truck with 33-12.50's.
I'd say a wheel swap is definately in order, but don't the current F-150's use a 17" wheel?
I wonder if they'd fit your truck?
Some of the fancier Ford truck rims are pretty nice looking.

As for the axle swap, is that a 9" rear end?
You aluded to a Dana, so that's why I ask.
If it is a Dana, I'd just swap out the whole drive axle.
Its easier and cheaper.
I remember back when I worked on U-Haul trucks, we had a beast called a "TC".
These were '77-'80 F-350's with a 14' box on the back, a 330 Y-block (yes, there is such a thing) sitting in front of a long shaft NP435 and a 4.11 geared Dana 60 in the back.
Ancient gear on an ancient truck that's been to hell and back and was still running!
Axle was a full-floater (obviously) but when we did brake jobs on those trucks, we'd repack the wheel bearings and I remember the lock nuts were held, not only by that special washer with the tabs on it, but also by a little piece of red nylon that would insert into a slot in the housing.
Didn't look like much, but you couldn't reuse it (well, you weren't supposed to, but sometimes you didn't have a choice).
Heard about a couple of trucks where the rear wheels came right off because those little nylon locks weren't installed.
Wild.
Anyway, enough about my misspent youth, I calculate that a 245/75-17 tire is about 31.47" tall.
I think your 57 is running the original Y-block, right?
So lets put a 60mph cruise @ 2000RPM. That's a nice speed for those old engines. Not too fast, but fast enough to keep up with the hypercritical @$$holes that ply today's freeways.
With that size tire, the drive gear ratio works out to 3.12:1.
So probably 3.00 or 3.08 gears will do you fine, depending on what axle you end up putting in there.
There was a manual 4-speed OD tranny that was popular in the 70's, too.
I seem to remember it being called a "Borg-Warner 4475", but don't quote me on that one.
All of the American car companies used it in their light truck lines in the 70's and 80's.
Big ol' cast iron case, "granny first"-type light truck tranny that had a .73:1 4th gear (but no "granny" first gear).
With your current 5.38's, that makes an effective final drive gear ratio of 3.9274:1.
@ 60mph, with those size tires, engine RPM is 2516RPM.
Might seem a little fast, but can you even do 60 in the truck right now? ( ).
If you swap the gears for 4.11's and do the tranny swap, engine speed @ 60 slows down to 1922RPM.
Ford also made a manual 4-speed OD back in the 80's.
Could be a newer version of the old "Town 'n' Country" tranny, because I remember it had an aluminum housing and took ATF for gear lube.
Now that one has a slightly shorter .78:1 OD,
Now the 4.11's you aluded to work out just slightly short, as RPM would climb to about 2050 RPM.
Anyway, there's a few options for you to think about.



6narow

 

Drove my truck to work today and have decided that the 3-speed or the 4.11:1 ring and pinion have got to go. The truck tops out at about 60 and even then I feel like I am going to get run over on the freeway. I swear, I got passed by a loaded down bottom dump on the freeway this morning. I love my truck, but the top speed is ridiculous...

 

get 3.50:1 and you'll be happy. then it might top out at 85-90. i have 3.89:1 and 29in tires and top out at about 90-95. same motor as that one.

 

Ive got a 5.0 with a c6 (3speed auto) 3.50 rear... I can run 60 easily.. at about 3500 rpm... too high for my taste still. but 70 is doable... just not practical. I usually run 45 to 55 everywhere I go.. and it cruises like a dream. but Interstate driver it is not. I may drop down to like a 3:20 or so when I rebuild the rear. my dad told me to put a 3:00 in and I can drive it easily on the interstate.. but I feel like I might lose the powerful take offs I get now... that I like!

 

I have actually been motivated to check out all my options and Modern Driveline makes a 5-speed conversion for that motor and it uses the S-10 shifter location and a .62 overdrive. That might be the way to go!

 

FWIW, Ford did make a 3.25:1 axle ratio for the 8" rear end. Not sure if it was available with the 9", but if you don't mind an 8", that is another choice for you guys.


65FordGuy,

You'd be surprised by how much acceleration you might not lose, moving to 3.00 gears.
I had another friend who had a '67 Mustang.
Granted, it only wieghed 2386 lbs., and the .040-over 289 that was in it was putting out around 250 (net) HP, but that thing would virtually LEAP off the line...and it had 2.79 gears.
You'll probably notice a slight loss in acceleration, but I bet the difference won't be nearly as much as you think it might be.
It mainly depends on how the engine is set up.
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OGNC,

You definately need to do something, even if its regulatiing yourself to slower "secondary" roads.
The 4-spd Ford OD tranny I aluded to in my other post would change your 4.11's to an effective 3.2058:1.
I don't know how tall your tires are, but assuming 29", then a swap to that Ford tranny, with your current rear end would give you a 60mph cruise @ 2228.58372 RPM.
Keeping your current tranny and swapping for 3.25 gears would give you roughly the same engine speed.
That tranny also has a 3.25:1 first gear, so you can go a little "high" with the rear gears and still get some "dig" off the line.
Right now, with your current setup, 60mph is 2857+ RPM.
Apparently, a bit out of the engine's power range.
Swapping to 3.00 gears, with your current tranny put the engine speed at a much more "pleasant" 2085.51724 RPM @ 60mph.



6narow

 

Here is my latest project. i got a smoking deal on it. Cant friggn wait to start driving it . Its going to be my daily driver.

 

I changed mine to a 3:00 to 1 ratio in the rear cause of the highway speed. I have an FE 352 mild cam with a C 6. It still sounds like a damn tornado inside but better than that 3 :7 or 4 :11 crap. Great for tearing down the street but hell on the highway. Really if I had to do it again I would have went even more down to 2.79 as well but oh well. And yeah the loss of power wasnt so dramatic that you are disappointed or anything...just a little nicer. As my poppa says, girls cant see if you are going to fast. You gotta cruise man....

 

your poppa was a wise man! Well, I have another 9" rear end sitting here... I might just give er a rebuild with a 2.79 or 3.0 drive it.. and if I want more go.. just swap in my 3.50... but, I really just want to be able to drive down the highway at 55 and be spinning 2000 rpm... or so... but, the down side to that is at 45 my normal around town and cruise speeds.. I would be at about 1500.. well. for whatever reason, my balanced and built motor shimmies at 1500 and goes away at 1700. several old timers and the engine builder told me it was the transition point in the setup....and right now 2000 is what I turn at 45 or so.

 

65FordGuy,

Chain + Motor mount = Shimmy free engine. (just kidding)

Seriously, if you're happy @55, then with 29" tall tires, the FDR works out to 3.13:1, with the engine turning 2K RPM.
So 3.00 gears will be a little nicer on the highway, but 3.25's sound like they'll work better for you, around town.

FWIW, 29" tall tires and 3.25 gears work out to 2071+ RPM @ 55mph.

Again, don't remember if 3.25:1 is available with the 9".
Investigate at will.


Elvis

 

lol.. well I really might have an engine tower shimmying... under the power steering unit there is a bolt missing... dont think one would fit.. I need to get a little weld on it.

I'll look into the gears.

 

anyone have any picks off new or fabricated 292 motor and tranny mounts?

 

What an awesome thread. My Uni.

 

any one esle have pics of their fliped front axels?

 

Might be something HERE.
I never noticed you're from Northfield....I remember the movie.


6narow

 

ok ill bite what movie?

 

Zimm,

No pics, but have you seen this thread? - http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4220023

In particular, on 8-13-2009 @ 1:32PM, "hotroddon" posted the following message...

"I looked at that when I had my 53. The problem was oil pan clearance and frame rail clearance. I didn't really want to C notch the front of the frame. It is a smaller cross section to start with and carries much more weight. I had the stock axle dropped and used reversed eye leaves, went down 5-6" "

Might be how you have to go?
Of course, sticking with the 223 might save you some of the headaches that these guys seemed to have gone through.
Check out the thread, maybe contact some of those guys and see what's up.

BTW, you state you're looking for 223 speed parts...

...This Thread, while excrutiatingly long (probably one of the longest threads floating around here), may provide you with some helpful info.
...also, thought this page might prove helpful, when it comes time to tear into that engine.
...lastly, I thought maybe this forum might also help you locate some parts for that motor.



6narow