A lot of people would think that a Y block head would not fit on a Plymouth four cylinder flathead. maybe a Model A but not a Plymouth. However it will go on I know because i did it. Set a record at Muroc with it. But there is no way it would have been possable to use both the original flathead valves and run the overhead valve head. Impossable for this or any production pushrod engine. Can't be done. Not being mean. just honest
I don't understand how you got a blue head to fit onto a yellow block. The textbooks have no mention of this.
To be completly truthful I didn't. I had a yellow head on a yellow block. Everyone knows yellow engines rule. However i sold my plymouth to Speedy Bill to put in his museum and someone there decided to paint the head blue. If I ever get to Lincoln and go to the museum you can bet they will hear about it
Where did I put that bunny with a pancake on his head? Not even dryer sheets can save this one. At least it's not a rat-rod belly tank build.
Hmmmmmm........... Well have you guys checked out uncommonengineerings stuff their site is http://www.uncommonengineering.com/ ok, seriously now, picture time
picture time been a while, so the car has been sitting for over a year since. pictures of the generator upgraded to 12v and cleaned OEM original to the car to the best of my knowledge the rust is just surface and hindsight being what it is, I should have sprayed her down with wd-40 before throwing her in the trunk next are some pics of the car, I wanted to head out to the machinist but it wasn't in the cards for today I have just this to say, men have thrown away much more money on worse endeavors, I mean, just take a look at congress.
ya Rich I years ago I had heard about a Y block head on a 4 banger, but thought it was a B, block. Of course that got me to thinkin, and having a Buick str8 wanted to find a good head that would work on it. found the Toyota 22RC is close.
there are some guys close by who can make the OEM wiring harness with bulbs fuses etc. with the 12v upgrade in mind thats about 1500, I already have the paint there is a guy here in town who is an old timer, and does leather suede upholstery for old skool rodz and such "one of the last left alive in these parts" and then there are all of the body work details Bondo mixed well with metal shavings from a friends brake shop "magnets will still stick" rechrome everything, I know a guy with connections to a sweat shop in Mexico where they force captured American politicians to work endlessly for "MORE POWER" a lot of other details and such but all in all it will turn out really well. Anyone wanna sponsor me??
the original idea for having an ohv or ohc cyl. head came from this engine, and yes, it is real, not like a treasure map to a non-existent engine kit.http://www.hemisix.com/ or check out http://www.valiant.org/valiant/hemi-six.html don't matter how you look at is 300 stock HP's from an inline six with 265CUBES is potent and THAT, gentlemen is what I wanted since getting one here from the aussies is but a dream in and of itself.
http://www.hemiperformance.com.au/store2/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=887 found the link I was looking for, want one, pretty stout for a six cyl. I don't have that amount of cash in hand, but....... if i did???..........
Yeah those Austrailian MoPar sixes are OK. So are 292 Chevy and 300 Ford US spec engines. And the newer GM Vortec six is a twin cam 4 valve truck motor. I had a '47 270GMC in my '32 five window that went 158 in '79 and 177mph in my Vega in '80. Ferguson's GMC streamliner went over 300mph. No one is saying sixes wont go. But all of these examples have well thought out real world work done to them. And the Bellhousing on my OHV Plymouth was yellow when it left here. I don't know what is up with the guys in Lincoln. I guess they just like colors.
Hey Nintendo Kid, I was wondering what ever happened to you and what you have been doing for the last 9 months, I was wondering if you were origionally yanking our chains...Or if you were off on a mission somewhere..... As far as people talking about killing this thread....Please no!!!!!!! This is the hardest iv'e laughed in 9 months of viewing the hamb. So many different opinions, Its got me thinking about what color combo to use on my chevy 6 motors... How about all of those other enginering sites that you mentioned, have you presented your plymouth endevor to them, and have they been of any help???? And I was also wondering about your talk of sponsors, You spoke of it as being a joke but then brought it up again. If you collected 2 cents from everyone who has offer'd their 2 cents, you'd have a pile of cash by now. (or at least a pile of change). You mentioned $1000 being too pricy for the stock rebuild kit youve already committed to, when it looks like youve spent a pretty penny on that 12 volt conversion /generator (that may no longer fit). You should of started honing your engineering skills by converting a $5 alternator to fit your needs. How can you expect people to sponser your project when you spend your funds on such frivolous things like 12 volt conversions when you still have to convert the wireing and 6 volt bulbs. What I was really wondering about your sponsorship talk was.....Are you just hoping people will give you free money and fund your plan Out of the goodness of their hearts? Or do you actually have something for the sponsors in return? Like the traditional sponsor type logos, seen on real racecars. In other words, what will it cost us? How much for my screenname across the doors.... Or better yet...My dogs picture across the trunk or hood!!!!!! Mabey the photoshop guys can help us out with this...... What kind of exposure do you see for this finished project? Because, I noticed you mentioned having a child. I'd hate to think that any of YOUR hard earned funds may be spent on your project as opposed to your childs future. Let us know how we can help. And finally, What kind of special resources do you have being in the marines??? Have you tried calling "The Army Core of Engineers"? I would think if anyone could help it would be them. I heard they've pulled off some pretty large projects in their day, Give them a call. Good luck in the new year.....
Nintendo, now your thinking a bit more sanely.... It's about 5 g's.....What was your superbuild budget anyway???? and does anyone sell chevy or jimmy six's like this???
Lots of questions I'll give it my best shot. I, over the last nine months, have been doing research, compiling information, asking questions, getting the HAMBSTER wheel "pun intended" I also had to learn a great deal about how forums work, and social networking online "not my first choice" I am in the desert, and being so, I have veeery limited resources, took me the longest time to just find my machinist, who incidentally enough does not run a CA "legal" business. I came here originally with limited knowledge and experience and have learned a great deal about vintage engines, new engines, high performance engines, and engineering "the germans did it the best see: german auto union type D racer" I never presented the idea to them per se, however, I have discussed the concept of heavily re-engineering an already existing idea/product, and lemme tell you, there are some people waaaaay more radical than me out there, especially the VW guys. The sponsor thing was initially a joke and I just ran with it, but....... far be it from me from having some folks throw some money my way to complete my car/project I certainly wouldn't turn them down Don't know if you are aware but the taxes on everything in CA just went up and appeared on the end of everydamn thing "their misappropriation does not constitute me having to pay out" And I don't really get paid that much to begin with. Truth be told I took this on thinking "well it can't cost that much can it? a little this paycheck....... a little more the next I can handle that" boy, did I underestimate things, I mean, I know better now, but I refuse to yank good things from my family to pursue my own hobbies, just would be nice to have the money to do it all now. I should set up a classifieds thread and charge folks to gawk/poke the Army is nowhere near here, the engineers said this place was uninhabitable..... seriously. There are the guys with tanks, they have a machine shop, but it's limited and the OIC, or in laymans terms, the HMFIC is not too privy to wasting taxpayer paid resources and Marines time for "personal gain" I can't say that I don't agree with him. I am deploying October this year and there are all kinds of workups to be done, I am a machinegun instructor/range coach/radio technician, and with such a broad background I will have a tough time staying on the ground. I also have to prepare to store all of my personal goods because my wife will be going to Okinawa to stay with her family while I'm gone for a year or so. To make a long story short, I don't want to make any promises I can't keep "my word is kinda important to me, shoot, folks have a hard enough time believing me as it is" If you want to put a logo on the car sure, fine, I think that I can live with that, but you should come and see the car, and meet me in person to find out what you will be putting your money into if you are seriously interested. thanks, and God bless, Kevin/Nintendo KID P.S. edited for grammar and punct. spelling was good though
oh, forgot to add, the 1,000 was a little steep because I am used to seeing 350 MRK for waaay cheaper like 500-750 range then again this isn't as common as a 350mouse is it, I am a bit on the frugal side if there is a way to do it cheap "not to cheap as you get what you pay for" then I'm on it like flies on shit.
the best I can do is give some advice, as can a lot of members here on the HAMB. It will be a mixed bag of experiences, knowledge, and even professional help. Its your area to make the decisions on how you will use and build your car. As I see it, it appears to be a typical socal,dried out, minimal rust,crispy critter, desert car. which is mostly good. Its old but not as old as I am, I drove one of those Plymouths as a drivers ed. car in Hi skool. I really enjoyed it, as I was already driving and had been for several years. It was a new car then and a really nice driver, comfortable,smooth, easy to drive, but the brakes were typical 50,s era, 'poor stoppers'. I like the looks of that model and was familiar with Chrysler corp. products as i was driving my Dads hand-me-down, 47 Dodge cpe. which we had from when it was 2yrs old.You have a car that can be restored to driving status,with minimal efforts and money if you get real conservative with your $$ outlay. Seems if you can get it running an driving you will be able to get use out of it and really use it while working on it, you don,t need all the whiz-bang engines, transmissions, suspensions, etc. what you need is to just get it running with some kinda paint to protect it. just my 2 cents, [will you take a check?]
LOL! Right now that is the general idea, just to get it up and running sos I can use it. I can do bodywork whilst the machinist does his thing, already have the paint and a gun and I know someone who has an empty/paintable garage. needs tires three on the tree could use an overhaul, i'm sure and I can live with the seats as they are right now, needs glass engine mounts new tranny/speedo? cable "broke it gettin the engine out" I need to get it movin, but my longterm plans are resto mod/ racer what kinda brakes should I upgrade to? 59 coronet or somthin the like? jonny cash had one of these things didn't he?
Nah....I don't know if Mr cash had a plymouth, I think he was more of a 49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59.............70 sumthin type of cadillac man.
I suppose that anything is possible, but when you look back on it, will the view be worth the climb? What is the point of reinventing the wheel when there are plenty of engines out there that are readily available, that will fit and function with much less effort and strain on an already tight budget??
So that wiring harness will probably run you $1200, plus at least 2000 for the interior, then 4000 for the body work, then another 1500 to remove and replace the slim shady bondo/metal filing mix (won't sand smooth and will eventually fail due to temperature extremes work things loose) and then 1200 for paint. Perhaps 3000 for tranny/rear/wheel/tires and 1000 for incidentals. That's almost 14 grand. What's your budget for the space alien motor?
Palpitations ending!! Thank goodness. Did you get the map yet? Please let the OP know that that kit was on the level.
The side valve Mopar is a very short engine. The Aussie 6 packs are a long engine. Do some measuring and you will find that the firewall will need to cut to fit an Aussie 6
Alright ninkid...,I tried to keep my silence but.... You quoted $1200-1500 for a wireing harness, is that installed? Do you realize that theres only about $10-$15 dollars worth of wiring in the whole damn car????? I'm sorry pal but here you've been telling everybody in the world about how youre gonna reinvent the wheel, push 10,000 ponies out of an old antiquidated flat 6, and how nobody can tell you that you can't do it. Yet your telling us that you can't wire up a simple ignition circut, a headlight switch and some brake lights!!! I don't think your car even came with t-signals which would only be a few more wires, and if you were to add a stereo I have to admit thats where it gets complicated...(2 or 3 more wires ) Oh my!!!! The insanity. Why cant you rewire this prehistoric flintstone mobile yourself. why must you pay someone hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars to perform such a simple task, Then you go out there jokingly or not and solicit hambers to pay for your project for you, Hah!!! All while next week you may very well be claiming that your gonna redesign the space shuttle. I swear dude, If I didn't belive that you were under the watch of the military I'd swear that you were smoking tons of crack or snorting mountains of meth..... Honestley I think most people get enjoyment out of working on their cars. Thats what you should be doing. And the way to start doing this is not by dreaming or bragging about building top fuel dragsters out of lincoln logs, but by baby steps. youve got a good car for that. Just go through it, inspect it, rewire it, clean it, lube it, tune it, paint it, use it, all your self, safely, sanely, cheaply, one step at a time. I personally belive if you hadn't been all gung ho and ripped the motor out, you could very well be driving and enjoying it right now. Instead your spending money that you don't have on repairs that probley weren't needed, and on top of that your soliciting other people to pay to fix a decent solid car that you recieved for FREE. I'm not trying to knock you or cut you down, We've all done dumb shit, and i've done much more than my share, you just need to slow down and learn instead of bragging about how much you already know while you prove to the world what you don't know. Go find some old timers on base and ask em' to tell you the story of the young bull and the old bull, then mabey things will start to make sense. Like I said before, good luck in the new year, try to resolve to find and follow the right paths, instead of charging down all of the wrong ones. Just out of quriosity, what is your job in the maine corp? And by the way, If you still need to pay someone a G-note to rewire your ride, give me a shout. I could be availible....
He claims" I am a machinegun instructor/range coach/radio technician, and with such a broad background I will have a tough time staying on the ground." Pretty busy for a corporal on his first enlistment. I was a corporal at 29 stumps and was a radio repairman, and not a radio technician which is the result of an advanced course for SNCO's and senior NCO's on their second enlistment. Even as a radio repairman, our friend should be fully capable of rewiring the old plymouth. If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with B.S.
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