Cars for sale w/o titles

Is it just me or has there been a lot of cars for sale on the HAMB lately with no ***les? I know in my part of IL the state is getting real tough on cars without ***les matching the frame numbers. I am really leary about buying anything that is not matching numbers to the ***le, let alone one that has no ***le at all. Am I just worrying too much or has anyone been having trouble registering un***led cars? You used to be able to put up a bond against the car in case someone came up later with a claim on the car, but I don't know if that still works today or not.

 

Its a pain with no ***le, but just as long as you get the right price on the car its OK.

If no ***le bothers you or you don't feel safe - simple - don't buy it.

 

I'm sure somebody will pop right in to disagree with me, but I ain't goin near anything without clear ***le. Lately, even some cars that had a ***le are being checked and found out to be stolen 20 & 30 years earlier. I'm not implying that anybody is trying to sell something stolen but to me all the ******** about run down to the local ***le service and get you a new ***le real easy is just that, ********. With technology and laws getting more complicated by the day it ain't getting any easier and most states are onto the old Alabama ***le routine. No ***le but bill of sale is the new "ran when parked" & "all the hard work in done" Unless it's just a parts car I'd keep lookin'.

 

not to long ago a few years they would sell u a car with no ***le then after u built it they would show up with the law and take your car. its iffy but some states dont require ***les for older cars. in ohio ***les have to be notorized but i bought a car from indiana and they dont notorize there so ohio had to accept it without notorization

 

New Hampshire doesn't require a ***le on a vehicle older than 15 years.

 

man up and use your network of friends or swap meets and find an old ***le and roll the dice like everybody else does or just dont buy it.
you can get blank repop vin tags from a number of sources
and its not like nobody on the hamb sells ***les.
sometimes ya gotta do what ya gottta do.
i know the dmv inspector in ohio is the biggest **** on the face of gods green earth and he makes it almost impossible to get a ***le for anything no matter how honest you are with him so like they say "f#%k him"
youre gonna treat me like a criminal i might as well act like one.
just my 2 cents

 

In Indiana or at least where I live it's super simple. Call the cops, they come out and see if there are any numbers on the frame,,,,there is a million ways to deal with that,,,,they look around the car, ask you if you know of any vin numbers on the car. They leave you with a paper that states the cop seen no numbers on the car. Take that paper to the BMV and they send you a vin number in a few weeks. Stamp that on the frame where they tell you to. Call the cops out again. They look to see that you did it right. They give you a paper conferming the vin numbers were stamped on right. Take that to the BMV, they send you a ***le in a few weeks. Done! I even drove a '34 ford I built to the police to do this and they didn't say a word, they just filled out the paper asked a few questions about the car, told me it was nice and off i went. In Indiana you have 31 days to properly ***le a car, so drive away. Just better have plates on it,,,,even if they don't belong to the car, again,you have 31 days to properly plate and ***le a car.

 

thank god for that

 

really just depends on the state. some are easy some **** ***.

 

its easy if u gotta cop in ur car club! haha

 

It is virtually impossible to get a State's ***le here. Our state ***le inspector has created her own little empire. The only reason she will talk to a car builder is because the state requires it. You probably are familiar with great government service.

 

I wasn't going to mention that,,,,but we have one in our car club also though he has never done any of my paper work.

 

We have a local ***le agent. She can get a legal ***le to damn near anything for $125 - $175, takes about thirty days.

It isn't a free service, and some may have a problem with that, but she does all the paperwork, and all the standing in line at the DMV so I'm fine with it.

 

In the State of Washington it is illegal to sell a car without a ***le. It is also a felony to tamper with the serial or VIN plate.

I don't touch a vehicle that does not have a good clean looking ***le that matches. I don't want to be stuck with the problem if they start enforcing those laws.

I have a couple bought before I adopted that plan. There are ways to negotiate a no ***le problem here, but its costly and time consuming.

 

second that ! I bought a 47 Ford out of Portland with no ***le, talk about jumping through hoops ! Finally found a 47 ***le, and gave it to the guy when we worked our trade. If the paper work is not straight with the car I p***. I learned from the school of hard knocks on that one.

 

We are far from being the only ones too. Rhode Island for example the cutoff is 10 years old dosn't need one. VT it's 15 years, M*** it's anything prior to 1979, etc. Alot of these states you can't buy a ***le for any amount of money if the car is old enough to be exempt. I find it hard to believe that if you guys in ***le states were to buy a car from a state that dosn't require them it would be that much h***le to get a new one issued as long as the numbers are good and the car isn't in some stolen vehicle database. Here it's a simple matter of having the VIN certified by a cop, licensed dealer, or state inspection station (me) and you're good to go. I've sold cars & bikes all over the country and 1 vintage Triumph motorcycle to a guy in Canada with nothing more than a bill of sale and a State of NH VIN verification form and had no problems. If I lived in a state that requiires a ***le I'd run the paperwork through a non ***le state before I'd risk jail time by riveting on a repop VIN tag made up to match a ***le that belongs to a different car. That's a federal felony. Even owning a set of repop VIN tag rivets is a federal crime if they are made to look like factory tamperproof rivets. You guys in Washington must be able to buy a car from another state can't you ? What if it's from a state that dosn't have ***les on older cars ? One of the motorcycles I sold a couple years ago went to Washington state and my old 69 Z/28 is also living in the garage of a collector in Washington. No ***le either time since NH dosn't use them on anything over 15 years old. Both guys had no problem having WA ***les issued.

 

I also like that here in New hampshire, we can have our vin verified by an inspection station and don't have to rely on "The Man" to do it for us

 

See the various forms listed under ***LE
http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/forms.html

 

Illinois p***ed new legislation on ***ling cars without a ***le and it was introduced by SEMA. It is rather easy now and it does involve a surety bond for 150% of the appraised value of the vehicle AFTER you have built it. Your auto insurance company should be able to set you up for a surety bond. State Farm charged a local builder $75.00 a year for 3 years for his 1940 Ford Truck that was valued a $40,000. You get a clean ***le back from the state and it doesnt say bonded anywhere on the ***le as it is a regular ***le. If somebody comes along and can prove the claim then the insurance company will pay off the bond. Thats in Illinois and I dont know how it works in other states.

 

As OldSub and Rob said previously it is a pain to even think about getting a ***le for a car that doesn't have one in this state. Here's a link to the list of flaming hoops you have to jump through.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=308-56A-210
Armed with that hope that the car was never reported stolen or that there isn't a lien on it from some finance outfit.

 

Do you live in a part of the state with emission tests? If so do you have to test, I am worried that it will be ***led as a 2010 and need current air standards (cat, etc...)

 

New York - never used ***les until 1973, so 1972 and older don't need them. Not only is it now very easy to register a car sans registration, you verify the serial number or VIN yourself with a photo or pencil etch. No one inspects the car at all. No paperwork on a car is no concern to me, unless it looks like it's been on the road fairly recently or is in su****iously nice shape.

 

I'm still testing the waters on mine. give to me right before Dad died, my uncles name in on the ***le(s). Got one ***le for the frame stapled to the one with the body(which has no numbers on it) and it was sold by a Guy in Reno. Local clerks office says I need the original seller to resign over to me. I dont even know if the guy is even living! I dont want a builders ***le either.

 

I have never had an issue and I live in california.The worst thing you have to do is have the vin checked.I have an Auto club membership which is very time saving.They will walk out to the trailer and look at your car.I had one instance where the car did not fall off the books and I would have owed back fees for years so I just parted it out.

 

In M***. EVERYTHING needs a ***le now no matter how old. Some time ago the cutoff was 10 years old. They saw a few dollars they were missing out on and fixed that.

 

this won't work in nw indiana. they tell you every car, body or frame had a number at one time and if they can't locate it, it must have been altered, plus you risk criminal charges. probably the result of all the car theft, chop shops and retagging that went on in this ****hole area from gary to chicago.
unless you can point to something in writing to back it up, i wouldn't try it. the local bmv's will call down state to verify any questions. i found that six different calls can result in six different answers. indiana needs strict guidelines to follow that are not open to interpretation.
so if you can point this out in writing, help all the rest of us hoosiers out and ley us know so we can use it.

 

Except if you buy a car in a no ***le state such as CT (1982 or earlier no ***les). In that case the PO registration and bill of sale is sufficient. MA will then issue you a ***le based on that paperwork.

 

I didn't say you couldn't get one. NHBandit said the cutoff for M*** vehicles needing a ***le was 1979. Not true. All trucks needed ***les from the beginning in 1971 or 1972, whenever they started, cars over 10 years old didn't. It was later changed to all vehicles no matter what age. If you have a car from the time period when they didn't need a ***le because they were over 10 years old, you still don't need one. If you sell it in M***, the next owner will need to get one.

 

??? the vin verification form is right there, almost anyone can verify from mechanic to a cop. just on most of our hot rods, you can't just look on the dash

 

In M***sacusetts ***les were not issued until the early 1970s. That created quite a rush at the RMV (Registry of Motor Vehicles). So, all the cars that were built before that date did not have any ***le. Bills of Sale only. Older cars with no ***le is not unusual. This whole ***le deal is out of control. No matter what state, it seems that nobody remembers the pre-***le era. That means the folks at your RMV...DMV. This whole deal is supposed to establish ownership and prevent stolen cars being sold. Well, sometimes ya gotta think about the real world. I have a 28 Ford coupe that hasn't been on the road for sixty-eight years. Now, where's that ***le? ARRGGGHHH!!!