History Auto racing 1894-1942

Buildy · Jan 3, 2010

Kurtis,

I found all that stuff as well,and great stuff it is.

I can only imagine what else they might have of Lazarnik in the Detroit Public Library,and I agonize over photos that are locked away in collections that will never see the light of day.

Buildy · Jan 3, 2010

HJ-thanks Very much! I had never seen that National site before.

I`ve been searching the web since 1998-still new stuff turning up-you never know when or what!

kurtis · Jan 3, 2010

Buildy,

Do you have the descriptions to go with the photos?? Eg; car, engine, driver, mechs.

Mac the Yankee · Jan 3, 2010

Buildy,

Somewhere I have pics of that Mercer at Hershey in the early 70's- looks just as good today as it did then! We had to leave for GA on Sat... now I wish I had stayed the extra day!

kurtis · Jan 3, 2010

HJmaniac said: ↑

Not sure if this link has been posted but here before but if so check it out again.

http://www.chuckstoyland.com/national/racing/index.html
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Many thanks.

Here we are buying books and scouring the web to get our fix and all this time not knowing we just have to search for toys.

Buildy · Jan 3, 2010

"Do you have the descriptions to go with the photos?? Eg; car, engine, driver, mechs."

No,I don`t.

LeeStohr · Jan 4, 2010

I ran across this story on race mechanics.

<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CLEESTO%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><link rel="themeData" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CLEESTO%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_themedata.thmx"><link rel="colorSchemeMapping" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5CLEESTO%7E1%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml"><style>  </style> MOTORING MAGAZINE
February, 1915
Unknown Hero of the Race
The Mechanician Who Sits in the Seat of the Lowly is the Man Who Spells Success
The mechanician may be said to sit in the seat of the lowly. The honor, the glory, the laurel wreath, the golden trophies, and not to mention the sack of double eagles, are generally handed to the winning driver and the car.
But from these mechanicians of today come generally the championship drivers of tomorrow. It is he who must watch the car, the tires, the lubrication, and everything about the mechanical monster that is annihilating time and space under the guidance of the driver.
It is he who constantly watches road conditions, must warn the oncoming car, and practically is responsible for everything except the course and speed the car takes.
His judgment in the racing motor car of today must be at least as great as that of the man at the wheel, and while he has heretofore been overlooked. Motoring Magazine wishes to place him on record, and in its humble way give him his just dues.
John Jepsen.
John Jepsen comes from Denmark, and is 25 years old; he has for the last two years been Ruckstall's mechanician. Jepsen has ridden with Ruckstall in the San Diego, Corona, Bakersfield and Fresno races, and in fact has ridden with Ruckstall in every race except the one in Ta- coma when Joe Thomas helped out.
Joe Thomas.
Joe Thomas, rider as mechanician with Eddie Pullen in the world's speed record Mercer, is a Seattle boy, 26 years old. Thomas has been in the racing game since 1908, and has made a reputation of his own as a driver, being known as the "Speed King of the Northwest." He began his racing career in 1908, winning two events in Yakima. In 1909 he drove in the races at Cohasset Beach, Washington. In 1910 he continued his winnings at Yakima, Tacoma. In 1911, his principal races were in Yakima, Tacoma and Vancouver, besides a number of minor racing events in the Northwest. 1912 saw him driving in the same events and in the same territory. In 1913 he made quite a reputation driving at Tacoma, Vancouver and on the Portland speedway. In 1913 and 1914 he won the P. I. reliability tour. In 1914 he drove in one of the Tacoma races, and rode as mechanician with Guy Ruckstall. Later he joined Pullen, and was with him when he broke the world's record at Corona.
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F. A. Schultz.
F. A. Schultz, who will ride with Louis Nikrent in the Baby Mercer, was born in Trenton, 24 years ago, and has come up as one of the experts in the Mercer factory in his home town. Schultz has been relief mechanician on the Mercer racing team in 1913 and 1914. This is his first year as a regular member of a crew.
C. Quicksell.
C. Quicksell, who is to act as mechanician for Caleb Bragg, a Trenton boy 38 years old, has been with the Mercer people as factory expert for several years, and has acted always as one of the mechanicians. This, however, is the first time that he has been a member of a regular driving crew, and comes West to act for the noted millionaire driver.
R. Button.
R. Dutton, who will act as mechanician with Earl Cooper, was born in Rochester, N. Y., 27 years ago. In the early part of last year he joined Cooper as mechanician in the races at Tacoma, and since that time has been the assistant to this well known California driver.
Dave Louis.
Dave N. Lewis is a Native Son, having been born in Los Angeles 34 years ago, and will be mechanician for Howard Wilcox. Between 1902 and 1905 he acted as driver and mechanician in the White steam car racing team. Between 1905 and 1910 he was out of the game, but returned at the latter date and joined Teddy Tetzlaff, with whom he rode until the beginning of 1912, when he joined the Stutz combination. His most prominent event in that year was in the race held over the Santa Monica course. In 1913 he went East and drove all summer on the Brighton Beach course, where he won the title of the "Race King of Brighton Beach." In 1914, he drove 120 h. p. F. I. A. T. in the Corona race, and came back this year to join the Stutz team as Wilcox's partner.
Jack Rooney.
J. A. Rooney, who will act as Gil Anderson's mechanician on the Stutz car, was born in Waltham, Mass., 32 years ago. He began as a mechanician in 1909, and in 1910 and 1911 was with Frank Lee when he was driving the fast Alco car. In 1912 he was in the light-class contest at the Milwaukee meet. In 1913 he joined the Stutz racing team, and since that date has been racing with Gil Anderson.
Walter McHenry.
McHenry, who will ride with Louis Disbrow in his Simplex as mechanician, has acted in the same capacity for Teddy Tetzlaff in 1912. He has also been at the wheel of racing cars in some of the prominent contests held in Honolulu.
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"Bob" Hopkins.
Robert S. Hopkins, who will act as mechanician on the Edward's Special, is 36 years old, being born in Brockville, Ontario, Canada. Hopkins has been an expert mechanic, but this is the first time that he has ridden in the extra seat in a racing car.
Harry Rose.
Harry Rose, who will be with Kennedy in the Edward's Special, was born in San Francisco, 24 years ago. He has been riding with Kennedy in the Santa Monica races, the Tacoma speedway, and other events, as well as in the Portola and Panama races oyer the Oakland,- Haywards course. In some of the coast races he has been mechanician for Teddy Tetzlaff. He has signed up to follow the Edward's Special through its racing program for 1915, a car which he has built.
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Buildy · Jan 4, 2010

Thanks,Lee.

Great article.

Tank · Jan 4, 2010

Buildy said: ↑

No,they ARE both original paint cars and the red one was owned by Jerry Helck since the 1940s....

Unless I was lied to.....
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Thats what I was told also, unless we were both lied to. I heard the yollow one came out of a scrap yard. The people that owned the yard knew what it was and tucked it safely away in a building until it was rediscovered. Looking at them closely I do not believe they have ever been repainted with "New" old paint. They were both entered in the preservation class at Hershey. Which is for cars with original features. "Paint"

Buildy · Jan 4, 2010

Looks real to me...

Prest-o-lite bottle.

Somebody did install a set of Motorcraft plugs,though...

model.A.keith · Jan 9, 2010

1912 Mercer Raceabout @ Shelsley Walsh 2005

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model.A.keith · Jan 10, 2010

Found this ......Nurburgring - Hermann Lang Mercedes W125

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkZwGa50eqM&NR=1

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Tank · Jan 10, 2010

model.A.keith said: ↑

Found this ......Nurburgring - Hermann Lang Mercedes W125

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkZwGa50eqM&NR=1

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Thats an awesome clip, found it a few monthes ago. Wondered if it was some distant relative. Im German, and my last name is Lang. Maybe hes my Great Uncle Hermann or something.... Lol.

Buildy · Jan 16, 2010

Great photos. In the first photo the second man from the left is Barney Oldfield.

Slim Pickens · Jan 16, 2010

BTT big TIME, Whats UP KURTIS! Slim

kurtis · Jan 17, 2010

Slim Pickens said: ↑

BTT big TIME, Whats UP KURTIS! Slim
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BUSY BUSY BUSY.

kurtis · Jan 17, 2010

GEORGE EASTMAN HOUSE. Nathan Lazarnik photos.

Atlanta Speedway. Fairmont Park, Philadelphia and the road races at Savannah.

www.geh.org/ar/strip15/htmlsrc/lazar_sum00001.html

Each photo starts with the index...81:3051: and is then followed by an individual number.
Descriptions of year, place, names of drivers, the mechanics and cars.

:0022=1904-Vanderbilt Cup-George Heath-PANHARD
:0086=1905-Vanderbilt Cup-Elimination Trial-#7 Robert Jardine-ROYAL TOURIST--#8 Mortimer Roberts-THOMAS
:0087=1905-Vanderbilt Cup-Bert Dingley-POPE TOLEDO
:0240=1904-Vanderbilt Cup-Albert Clement-CLEMENT BAYARD
:0340=1910-November-Savannah-Grand Prize-Harry Grant & Frank Lee-{mech.}ALCO Six
:0345=1910-November-Savannah-GP-line up-#4 Ralph Mulford-LOZIER--#6 Charles Basle-POPE HARTFORD
:0346=1910-November-Savannah Trophy-{231-300ci class}#31 Hughie Hughes-FALCAR
:0347=1910-November-Savannah Trophy-#33 Roebling-MERCER
:0348=1910-November-Savannah-GP-Ralph DePalma-FIAT S61
:0469=1910-November-Savannah Trophy-#32 Louis Heinemann-MARMON
:0471=1911-May-Indy 500-Line for scales
:0521=1911-May-Indy 500-after scales
:0642=1910-November-Savannah-Tiedeman Trophy-{161-230ci class}Martin Dooley & Walter Stone {mech.}
:0643=1910-November-Savannah-Tiedeman Trophy-{161-230ci class}Bill Endicott-COLE
:0644=1910-November-Savannah-Billy Knipper in center-MAXWELL
:0645=1910-November-Savannah-GP-Ray Haroun & Harry Goetz{mech.} MARMON
:0647=1911-Savannah Challenge Cup-Joe Nikrent & Joe Dawson on mechanics seat of MARMON
:0696=1910-November-Savannah-GP-Louis Wagner & Anthony Ferro {mech.} FIAT S61
:0706=1911-May-Indy 500-Bob Burman-BLITZEN BENZ-demonstration lap
:0707=1911-May-Indy 500-#28 Davaid Bruce-Brown & A. Scudelliar {mech.} FIAT S61--#30 Lee Frayer FIRESTONE COLUMBUS
:0708=1911-May-Indy 500-Ray Harroun MARMON
:0711=1911-May-Indy 500-Arthur Greiner & Samual Dickson {mech.} AMPLEX--*Samual Dickson-fatal
:0712=1911-May-Indy 500-Teddy Tetzlaff-LOZIER-accident
:0723=1910-November-Savannah-Charles Basle & his brother {mech.} POPE HARTFORD
:0767=1910-July-Indy meeting-Event 20-Remy Grand Brassard Trophy-100 Miles-Bob Burman-MARQUETTE BUICK
:0775=1910-Atlanta Speedway-Ray Harroun-#21 MARMON
:0985=1911-August-Elgin, Illinois-Joe Horan & Ralph Mulford or Ed Chandler {mech.}
:0986=1911-Indy 500-Spencer Wishart & William Pfieffer {mech.} MERCEDES
:0987=1910-November-Savannah-GP-Felice Nazzaro & Antonio Fagnano {mech.} FIAT S61
:0988=1910 Savannah-#16 Louis Wagner
:0990=1911-November-Savannah-GP-Felice Nazzaro & Antonio Fagnano FIAT S61
:0991=1911-November-Savannah-GP-Spectators
:0992=1911-November-Savannah-GP-Arthur Chevrolet & Albert Seraye {mech.} MARQUETTE BUICK
:1039-1040-1041=ACME
:1101=1910-October-Long Island Motor Parkway Road Races--Wheatley Hill Sweepstakes-Louis Heinemann MARMON
:1340-1351-1352=1910-Savannah-GP-Harry Grant & Frank Lee ALCO
:1357=1911-Indy 500-paddock
:1358=1911-Indy 500-Spencer Wishart & William Pfieffer MERCEDES
:1366=Savannah-tire pile
:1367=1911-November-Savannah-David Bruce-Brown & Victor Hemery {smoking}
:1368=1911-November-Savannah-FIAT S74 engine {150/200mm}
:1369=1911-November-Savannah-Scoreboard
:1370=1911-November-Savannah-David Bruce-Brown
:1371=1911-November-Savannah-David Bruce-Brown & Ralph Mulford on mechanics seat
:1378-1381=1911-Indy 500-start
:1395=Massapequa Sweepstakes-Mortimer Roberts ABBOTT DETROIT
:1396=Billy Knipper-LANCIA
:1399=Wheatley Hill Sweepstakes-Bill Pearce FALCAR
:1411=1910-Atlanta Speedway-Coca Cola Trophy-Class B {201-450ci} 100 Miles-#11 Louis Hienemann MARMON--#28 Joe Dawson MARMON--Charles Basle POPE HARTFORD
:1412=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#14 Hughie Hughes FALCAR--#23 Fred Clemens McFARLAN
:1413=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#5 Ralph Mulford LOZIER Four
:1415=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#13??--#28 Joe Dawson MARMON
:1417=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#22 Louis Disbrow POPE HARTFORD
:1418-1419-1910-Atlanta Speedway-#44 Joe Matson SIMPLEX
:1420=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#28 Joe Dawson MARMON
:1421=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#6 Joe Horan LOZIER Six
:1422=1910-Atlanta Speedway-#40 Bob Burman MARQUETTE BUICK
:1423=1911-November-Savannah-Vanderbilt Cup-#4 Spencer Wishart MERCEDES--Harry Grant LOZIER
:1454=1911-November-Savannah-Vanderbilt Cup-Edward Parker FIAT S61
:1455=1911-November-savannah-GP practice-Eddie Hearne BENZ
:1456=1911-November-Savannah-Vanderbilt Cup-Harry Grant & Edward Chandler LOZIER
:1457=1911-November-Savannah Challenge Cup-#5 Billy Knipper MERCER--{old number of Ralph DePalma car at Fairmont Park--see photo #1699}
:1464=1911-Vanderbilt Cup
:1484-1490=1911-Savannah-Caleb Bragg-FIAT
:1488=1911-Savannah-Ralph Mulford LOZIER
:1498=1911-Savannah-Ralph Depalma MERCEDES {130/180mm}
:1499=Vanderbilt Cup-Louis Disbrow POPE HARTFORD
:1503=1911-Indy-#37 Charles Bigelow & Charles Illingsworth {mech.} MERCER
:1504=1911-Indy-Bob Burman BLITZEN BENZ-demonstration run
:1569=1911-November-Savannah-Start of Vanderbilt Cup-#4 Harry Grant MARMON--#1 Ralph Mulford LOZIER
:1570=1911 -Vanderbilt Cup
:1571=1911-Vanderbilt Cup-Louis Disbrow POPE HUMMER
:1572=1911-Vanderbilt Cup-Ralph Mulford
:1573=1911-Vanderbilt Cup-#3 Louis Disbrow POPE HUMMER--#12 Cyrus Patschke MARMON--Bob Burman MARMON
:1574=1911-Vanderbilt Cup-#5 Harry Cobe JACKSON--#7 Carl Limberg ABBOTT DETROIT
:1575=1911-Vanderbilt Cup-Harry Grant LOZIER
:1578=1911-November-Savannah GP-Eddie Hearne
:1593=1910-Savannah-GP-Joe Dawson & Bruce Keene MARMON
:1601=1910-Savannah-GP-#19 Ralph DePalma & Giuseppe Pozzo {mech.} FIAT
:1604=1910-Savannah Trophy-Louis Hienemann & Patton {mech.} MARMON
:1610-19-20-21-22=1910-Savannah-grandstand
:1623=1910-November-Savannah-Tiedeman Trophy-Scoreboard
:1624=1910-November-Savannah-straight
:1692=1910-November-Savannah Trophy-#36 Joe Dawson & Bruce Keene MARMON
:1693=1910-November-GP-#Ralph DePalma LOZIER in front of #6 Charles Basle POPE HARTFORD
:1694=1910-Savannah-GP-#7 Harry Grant ALCO
:1699=1911-Fairmont Park-Philadelphia-#5 Ralph DePalma MERCER
:1710=1910-November-Savannah Trophy-#37 Bill Pearce & Frank O'Brien FALCAR
:1702=1910-November-Savannah-Tiedeman Trophy-#42 Carl Wright & Woole {mech.} MAXWELL
:1703=1910-Savannah Trophy=#36 Joe Dawson & Bruce Keene MARMON
:1729=1911-November-Savannah-Vanderbilt Cup-Leland Mitchell ABBOTT DETROIT
:1730=1911-November-Savannah-Vanderbilt Cup-Harry Grant LOZIER
:1733=1911-Savannah-Tiedeman Cup-Harry Hartman ABBOTT DETROIT
:1734=1911-Savannah-corner leading to Start/Finish
:1735=1911-Savannah- Tiedeman Cup-E.M.F.team-#33 Jack Tower--#35 Frank Witt--#34 Robert Evans
:1736=1911-Savannah-winner of the Tiedeman Cup-#35 Frank Witt E.M.F.--winner of the Savannah Challenge Cup-#8 Ralph Mulford LOZIER--
winner of the Vanderbilt Cup-#22 Hughie Hughes MERCER
:1756=THOMAS DETROIT
:1787=1910-Vanderbilt Cup-Joe Dawson & Bruce Keeene {mech.}
:1789=1910-Vanderbilt Cup-Leland Mitchell SIMPLEX
:1794=1910-November-Atlanta Speedway

Slim Pickens · Jan 17, 2010

Kurtis
Awesome. I love this part...
Lazarnick, Nathan
American (b. Russia, 1879-1955)
This dude died the year I was born, and he was photographing auto races.
This history stuff is KILLER. Thanks. SLIM

The37Kid · Jan 17, 2010

Nice shot of "Whistling Billy" the White steamer Slim!That ran in the Vanderbilt Cup races.

kurtis · Jan 17, 2010

Ever since someone posted a photo of an underslung Buick in the 'Boardtrack' thread i've been on a part time mission to find more images and information of this car.

'Wild' Bob Burman. 1908 American Grand Prize at Savannah and in the 2nd photo, Burman again at the 1908 Massachusetts 250 mile race. He was eventually DQed for making too many repairs.

Weaverville Studios · Jan 17, 2010

Wow Kurtis...that link to the Eastman House collection is amazing.

A BIG THANKS is in order, thanks for sharing!!

jimdillon · Jan 18, 2010

Kurtis-I agree great link thanks-Jim

Slim Pickens · Jan 18, 2010

The37Kid said: ↑

Nice shot of "Whistling Billy" the White steamer Slim!That ran in the Vanderbilt Cup races.
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The37Kid, Thanks...but, ALL thanks go to KURTIS!

This link he provided is KILLER! Thanks Kurtis.

GEORGE EASTMAN HOUSE. Nathan Lazarnik photos.

Atlanta Speedway. Fairmont Park, Philadelphia and the road races at Savannah.

www.geh.org/ar/strip15/htmlsrc/lazar_sum00001.html

kurtis · Jan 18, 2010

I think thanks are in order for the individual's for sharing the images with the rest of the world. Even bigger accolades are reserved for the person/persons who put that list together. I only added the list so 'we' can have something to fall back on if there ever is a future discussion about the aformentioned races.

I also think the Lazarnik collection is great in terms of the historical aspect but i don't think much of the photos themselves. I spoke to my Belgian friend after he guided me to the Eastman House link sometime ago and his veiw is that the photos are of the unwanted variety, meaning Lazarnik himself most probably had a tough time selling them back in the day. Sure, some are of a high quality especially the non auto related set but taking a photo of a moving object is a whole different ball game when one considers the equipment that was available.

Slim and Bob, here's another of the White Steamer at the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup. Sorry for the poor quality.

kurtis · Jan 18, 2010

Another shot of Bob Burman in an underslung Buick racing the bi-plane of Carl Bates at Daytona Beach, 1909.

kurtis · Jul 7, 2010

Something a little different.

The 8 liter Porthos of Mile Stricker at the 1907 Kaiserpreis.

1914 Brooklands. SUNBEAM.

kurtis · Jan 20, 2010

Charles Schmidt. 1903 Packard 'Grey Wolf'

kurtis · Jan 21, 2010

MORGAN 2 Cylinder.

SAM PALMER.

Labold · Jan 21, 2010

That little 2 cyl Morgan has alot of neat details. The more you stare it down, the more you notice. Actually, I can say that about every photo on this thread!

Buildy · Jan 21, 2010

More e-bay finds

Bugatti at Pan-Pacific 1915? Who is this?

Here is the writing on back of photo.

This one says Maques at Playa Del Rey 1915 which of course is impossible since Playa Del Rey burned to the ground in 1913.

Could this be part of the Pan-pacific course?

Looks like the same car/driver as the first photo despite the caption.

He was also in this race at the Pan-Pacific

William K. Vanderbilt Cup
San Francisco World's Fair Course
3.849 Mile Road Course
77 Laps/300.685 Miles
March 6, 1915

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