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History Auto racing 1894-1942

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. Vitesse
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    This may already have been answered, but I'm working my way through this thread and came across it. The gentleman in question was Sir Raymond Quilter and the company was called the GQ Parachute Company. These links will tell you more about the firm, which was then based at Woking, but still exists today as part of Irvin-GQ.

    http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/themes/subjects/industry/gq_parachute_company

    http://www.irvingq.co.uk/irvingq/company.asp

    Testing was carried out on the runways at Dunsfold near Godalming: Quilter drove the car himself when the company gave a public demonstration on May 20th 1954.
     
  2. T-Head
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    A Model T Ford.
     
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  3. The37Kid
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    Rick Decker's MILLER after a wreck in Woodbridge, New Jersey. The car is in the Eastern Museun of Racing today.
     

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  4. Buildy
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    I should have known with that amount of ground clearance.
     
  5. Don Capps
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    So, how do you think the rules got to be made so that the cars got put together the they way they were? To be honest, nuts and bolts are easy, while the "politics" and the Zeitgeist that everyone, especially the Enthusiasts, sneers at is hard stuff. But, then again, to the vast majority of those here and elsewhere this is not really history, but nostalgia and so forth, the usual trips down memory lane sort of thing that is often confused with history. You certainly represent the prevailing view of things, which I understand, but then again, I always seem to be out of step with everyone regarding this sort of thing.... I see connections and complexity while others simply see a bolt with a nut on the end of it.

     
  6. Vitesse
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    You didn't give an ID for this one: Whitney Straight's Maserati. Not sure what year though.
     
  7. model.A.keith
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    Kurtis,

    Thanks for the full explanation, very welcome.

    Keith
     
  8. model.A.keith
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    Ascot - Ira Vail - #14 Philbrin / Reeves Dutton - Stutz


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  9. model.A.keith
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    1924 record run, Muroc dry lake, California - Tommy Milton (Miller 183) 151,26 mph, record for 3-litre car



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  10. model.A.keith
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  11. Buildy
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    Keith,any way to post that one in a larger size so we can read the text,etc?
     
  12. model.A.keith
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    seems to be the largest i can get it using photobucket,

    I'll keep trying, looks like a concept, as the car as built is different


    Keith
     
  13. noboD
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    I copied it to my photo gallery like a picture. But when I zoomed in it got blurry still couldn't read it.
     
  14. Buildy
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    Keith,

    Do you have it as a larger file on your computer? If so you could send it to me and I will put it on my flickr and post it here.

    I can give you my e-mail address via PM.
     
  15. T-Head
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    It is that time in Florida again, it happens every February. Here is a great colored postcard from 1905 on the beach. Left to right Vanderbilt with a Mercedes, McDonald with a Napier? And Thomas with one of his cars from Buffalo NY.
     

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  16. slightly in the same vein...

    "Berna Eli "Barney" Oldfield (June 3, 1878 – October 4, 1946) was an automobile racer and pioneer. He was born on a farm on the outskirts of Wauseon, Ohio. He was the first man to drive a car at 60 miles per hour (96 km/h) on an oval.[1] His accomplishments led to the expression "Who do you think you are? Barney Oldfield?".


    i remember my grandmother saying that to me when i first started driving :D:D.
     
  17. Rapid Robert
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    Earlier this month, T-Head posted a side-elevation view of the 1915 Knight-engined F.R.P. racer. I just love old drawings and stuff like this, so I decided to use it as the basis for a rendering of what the failed F.R.P racer might have looked like. I also used the poor photo of the two cars at the hotel as well as the front view photo posted by Mr. Dillon for reference.

    I added some details that may or may not be right, as well as a few touches of my own. I decided not to put the full belly-pan on because I wanted that nice, big exhaust pipe to be visible. I also eliminated the rear spare wheels for a track racer.

    This is a work in progress. I still need to flesh it out a bit, but I would like any feedback anyone cares to offer about known or suggested details. I wanted to get this up before the thread moved too far beyond the subject.

    Later.
    Bob.
     

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  18. jimdillon
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    Bob, pretty good work, here is a pic of the car same view.-Jim

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  19. kurtis
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    Fantastic stuff Robert. Do you have anymore?
     
  20. Rapid Robert
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    Hey, I see a couple of things I need to change already. The belly-pan needs to go, ruins the total look. And I was just guessing about the color scheme, based on the hotel photo. What color were they? Mr. Dillon, thanks for posting that image. I wasn't too far off the mark.

    Bob.
     
  21. kurtis
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    Welcome Vitesse and thankyou for the links.

    As to the Straight 8CM i think that photo is from 1933. I've read an article that stated he had bought a stable of cars in 1934 so i may not be accurate. Correct me if i'm wrong.
    I'm relatively certain the car in the photo was later purchased by Chula for Prince Bira but i'm not sure who owned it after that. Again, this needs clarifying.
    The car still exists somewhere in America in a restored state wearing black paint. As i said i don't know it's history after the Thai and i'm a little confused why the owner didn't return it to the configuration when Straight owned it.
     
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  22. kurtis
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    Off White. Or just as you have it.
     
  23. jimdillon
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    Bob, the pics from T-head show they were white although I will check and see if I have any other color on them anywhere. By the way call me Jim-Mr Dillon is a tad formal.

    T-head Here is a pic from Ormond probably taken about the same time as the subject in the postcard-Jim

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  24. Buildy
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    Rapid Robert,

    Beautiful job on the FRP rendering.
     
  25. Rapid Robert
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    Thanks for the comments, everyone. May post a revised image later. To Kurtis' question, I do have more of these, it's sort of a hobby of mine. I'll give some thought to some future postings.

    In the meantime, here is another image for today. Just about my all-time favorite pre-war driver, Theodore H. Tetzlaff, aka "Terrible Teddy".

    A note on the back of the photo states Milwaukee. I think this is the Vanderbilt Cup, run a day or so before the 1912 Grand Prize. Who is his mechanic in the FIAT?

    Jim - (see..I can do it..), thanks for the information on the Sweeney Special from a few posts back. For the past several years, I have been researching the life and career of B-list driver Harvey Kennedy. I have in my files a very bad copy of a newspaper photo showing Kenndey sitting in a car that looks suspiciously like the Sweeney Special, only called the Kennedy Special. Kennedy died during a race in Lima, OH in 1917 in his "Marmon powered special". I have been trying to find a clearer photo of this vehicle.

    Later.
    Bob.
     

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  26. Buildy
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    William K. Vanderbilt Cup
    Wauwatosa Road Race Course
    7.88 Mile Road Course
    38 Laps/299.44 Miles
    October 2, 1912

    Finish Start Driver Car # Sponsor/Name Chassis Engine Laps Status
    Points

    1 1 Ralph DePalma 22 Mercedes Mercedes Mercedes 38 4:20:31.54 68.962 600*
    2 2 Hughie Hughes 23 Mercer Mercer Mercer 38 4:21:14.24 68.774 320*
    3 5 Spencer Wishart 26 Mercedes Mercedes Mercedes 38 4:36:35.75 64.955 170*
    4 6 Gil Anderson 27 Stutz Stutz Wisconsin 38 4:39:40.95 64.238 90*
    5 7 George Clark 28 Mercedes Mercedes Mercedes 38 4:51:39.75 61.600 55*
    6 4 Harry Nelson 25 Lozier Lozier Lozier 24 Withdrew
    7 8 Ted Tetzlaff 29 Fiat Fiat Fiat 25 Broken drive shaft
    8 3 Ralph Mulford 24 Knox Knox Knox 2 Magneto
    -- -- David Bruce-Brown X Fiat Fiat Fiat -- Wrecked practice - fatal
    -- -- Eddie Pullen 21 Mercer Mercer Mercer --
     
  27. Rapid Robert
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    Like I said before, Buildy, what kept you? Jeez, I like this thread!
    Bob.
     
  28. Buildy
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    Me too,this thread is excellent.

    Thanks for that great photo of Tetzlaff,I hadn`t seen that one before.

    Not sure on the Mech,I will check to see if I have records on the mechs for that race.

    Rapid,I just checked my records and George Hill was the Mech in the Grand Prize race on Oct 5th.

    My records for the Vanderbilt don`t have the Mechs listed.
     
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  29. Buildy
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    Here are the Grand Prize results I have.


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    Note Teddy Tetzlaff and George Hill were involved in a wreck.
     

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