Hmmm ... intriguing! That is one of the two Fiat S76s. Before I go any further, can you give any details regarding the source of that picture, T-Head? One interesting point is the leather (?) chain guard, which I've never seen before on an S76 picture. I'm not trying to be clever, it's just that there are some unresolved questions regarding those cars ...
It's the 1932 Lupasa/Graham Indy Car (Lupasa Co. = Angelo Lucenti, Roy W. Painter and John C. Saunders), finished 10th in the 1934 '500' and 8th at Springfield that year. Am I right in thinking the Duesey is the Arthur Bernstein car? Can you tell me a bit about it, who raced it when & where? I lose track after George Buzane in 1916.
Bugger! Again, without trying to influence anybody, do we have any architectural historians around here who could suggest a rough location for that tower in the background? Could be important ...
Michael, Thank you for the info on the Graham INDY car, one I didn't know survived until now. Since so many INDY cars of the 1930's ran many times I'd like to know why you dated it as a 1932, is it the Ray Campbell #72 from '32 with different bodywork for the 1934 race? Thanks for all the info you post. Bob
Keith, there wasn't a chassis number listed for that Touring-bodied 8c was there? I've tried to get info on it before but it seems to be a recent concoction. Thanks for the photos. Cris
YES! I have a front view of the car in a lineup with about 6-8 others at Pottstown. I sold the original but there is a copy I need to find. One car is the Larry Beals HISSO V8 powered 1908 Mercedes that I've posted photos of on this thread. The photo was from Larry Beals and he ID'd most of the cars. This car has the radiator from one of the Blitzen Benz that was parted out, my guess is it also supplied the rear axle for the Parry Thomas "Babs" The NMRA was the National Motor Racing Association, based in Philadelphia and founded in 1919 by Vincent Roland, Al Jacobs and starter "Doc" Gerner. They bought the land and built Langhorne. The L.Spencer Riggs book Langhorne! No Man's Land covers a lot of the early history.
These are the rest of the photos from the Prewar class at the Amelia Island Concours. The red Fiat is a 1907 Targa Florio Racer. The 1934 Dreyer sprint car is the original cream colored racer it is called the Moore special. It originally was powered by a 4-cyl. OHC engine but was re-powered in 1941 with a Ford six. The last photo is a 1911 Interstate that was built in Muncie Indiana.
This is a neat photo that Buildly came up with and I have heard part of this story before. I would like to know more about this car and who built it and what it was powered by?
Two interesting photos, both of which are titled the Paris to Madrid Race 1903. The first photo labeled Louis Renault, the second G. Grus, both are in Renault race cars. Notice the iron device behind the rear tire on the second car. This was intended to pull horse shoe nails out of the tire before they penetrated it and caused a puncture.
"This is a neat photo that Buildly came up with and I have heard part of this story before. I would like to know more about this car and who built it and what it was powered by?" Same here,would like to know more about that car! T-Head,thanks for the Amelia Island photos-the FIAT is a beauty.
No, it was #51 "Lupasa Special" in '32, dnq Indy (Roy Painter), dns Syracuse (Saulpaugh), apparently sat out '33 to return as #24 "Lucenti Special" in '34, 10th Indy (Ardinger/Day), 8th Springfield (Ardinger), ret Syracuse (Ardinger), then #51 "Frigenor Special" in '35, dns Indy (Painter/McKee). It seems it was used extensively as a dirt track machine for the next fifteen years or so, only well down the order - last note I have of it in competition is from 1950! I believe I saw picture(s) of it sitting unrestored in a collection a couple of years ago, but can't find my notes now!
Re The S76 Beast of Turin here's Arthur Duray talking about his experience with the car published 1914 http://www.historicracing.com/index.cfm?fullText=2636 and a discussion of a reproduction with some interesting links some posting here have been keeping from us http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=94880 (there's an aussie Mercer man there David ) Felice Nazzaro 1907 Targa Florio FIAT 24-80 HP... Antonio Ascari 1923 Targa Florio Alfa Romeo RLTF (Ramponi hanging on to radiator)
I know that Keech raced the Bill Strickler Peugeot at Pottstown in 1925, but I have a hard time seeing more than just a hint of Peugeot in this vehicle! Still, I suppose it's possible it IS the car, since I have never seen another picture of it. They did a lot of weird stuff to old racers in those days...
It was in very good unrestored condition with old paint & upholstery as last raced. It was in a small collection old racing cars that Bonhams? sold a couple of years ago.
Nice to see a bit of rust between all those overrestored cars there! Don Moore is a special hero of mine, he had a Big Car career as long as A. J. Foyt's, only not just as successful . Imagine, one of the first competition cars he drove was this: Yes, that is a 1914 Indy Car, the "Beaver Bullet", driven to 8th that year in the '500'! And that old Dreyer/Ford in the above picture was still good enough for him to finish in the top twenty in URC points in both '48 & '49, when he must've been close to or over sixty years old! He was from Washington (DC) or Richmond (VA), depending on source, and his younger brother Frank "Babe" Moore also raced for more than twenty years, mostly listed with Silver Springs (MD) as hometown.
Here's a better angle. Looks like '33 Ford. From left in the lighter coloured suit facing the camera - body designer - Pallivicino - Guy Moll in white - G.B.Guidotti.
Died today 90 years ago. Ralph Beardsley. Raced in the Fairmount Park Races and the 1911 Indy 500. www.historicracing.com/index.cfm?fullText=8008 pictured below with J.D.Coote in a SIMPLEX. Died today 65 years ago. William Grover 'Williams'. www.historicracing.com/index.cfm?fullText=2063 Pictured below after his victory in the 1929 MONACO GP driving a Bugatti with Rudy Caracciola who finished 3rd in a Mercedes. He was later executed by the Nazi regime.
"Williams"...there seems to be a dispute as to whether or not the Naz's got him. Some have implied that he lived out his days and died a fews years back. He was involved in the French resistance during WW2. Caracciola's performance with the Merc being absolutely legendary.
'Williams' was definitely killed after his second attempted escape. You must be referring to Jean Pierre Wimille. He also served in the Resistance with 'Williams' and Robert Benoist and survived. After the war he took up where he left off but died in practice at the 1949 Buenos Aires GP.
I wasn't so much keeping it from you as holding back to see what developed! If you read the thread, you'll see that Duncan Pittaway and others contradict what Sedgwick wrote in his Fiat history, maintaining there were two cars not one and that one of them may have ended up in Australia - possibly via Russia - which was why I was interested in the picture source and the background architecture. My immediate thought was also that it was the Prince, but he seems to have been something of a mystery man (although searching for him is not helped by the number of ways his name might have been transliterated into Roman characters!)
They sure look Italian to me. The facial features suggest they are both southern Europeans and not Slavic. Maybe they are Mexicans as one of the cars ended up there.
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