As I mentioned earlier the accident was widely reported at the time and the accounts vary so greatly I wouldn't put any stock in a single one. I get the impression from reading several they were traveling towards each other and initially both took evasive action towards the dunes, Stanley sharply presenting a broadside and Croker swerved towards the surf hitting Stanley's chair, peeling off the tire and rolling three times. Maybe I'm reading too much into the Vanderbilt undertaker incident with Heath but it seems a little simplistic to say Stanley simply turned in front of him if this was the case.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. Thanks for the pics and explanations of the mechanics of carburation. The float in the Miller carb looks exactly like a DB Detroit lubricator float. Also, thanks to ALL for getting back on topic. I'm here to learn cars, not egos.
Well yes, most probably a recreation of a Peugeot. You will find a small discussion and photos toward the bottom of page 75 of this thread if you are interested.
Flipper, The reversed louvers allowed air and fumes to exit the car, along with dust from dusty roads. Dry Lakes race cars had louvered trunk lids for the same reason. I'd like to know if the Alfa had the louvers hammered in after that tail was made or was a louvered section welded in?
I'm feeling kind of out of sorts today. Yesterday I was in the presents of the '31 Voisin Demi-Berline coupe, not a race car but it looks like it's going a 300 miles per hour. Then I had to come home to the rubbish in my own garage!
Well maybe this Voisin race car will cheer you up. If I remember correctly it was Duray driving it in about 1923-24. Did you take any pictures while you were there? He has great cars.
Duray drove one of them, but that's André Lefebvre, who was the only Voisin driver to finish (5th and last) - Grand Prix de l'ACF 1923.
Photo taken on June 17, 1922, on the Uniontown Pennsylvania board track. Many faces that I have seen before and some I can identify. In the photo on the left could that be Ira Vail with the Leach (Duesenberg?) Uniform on the left and Milton the second to his right? In the center photo I see Leon Durray, Art Chevrolet right next to him and also Ralph Mulford. The last person to the right on the right hand photo looks to be Jimmy Murphy. Could the car on the pole be Murphys Duesenberg? Behind it is a Miller then a Frontanac. What is on the outside front row?
#8 That is Leaping Lena- Tommy Milton drove it at Indy in 1922. With that goofy front end it was said to not ride well. Leach Spl. The man on Rt. in the last photo is Jimmy Murphy. Murphy started first,so you are right about his car being on the front row. This being 1922-there are drivers and Mechs. in coveralls. 7th Annual Universal Trophy Race Uniontown Speedway 1.125 Mile Board Oval 200 Laps/225 Miles June 17, 1922 Finish Start Driver Car # Sponsor/Name Chassis Engine Laps Status Points 1 1 Jimmy Murphy 35 Murphy Duesenberg Miller 200 2:12:15.13 102.078 300 2 X Ralph Mulford 6 Frontenac Frontenac Frontenac 200 2:14:15.77 100.557 160 3 X Jerry Wonderlich 24 Duesenberg Duesenberg Duesenberg 200 2:14:44.23 100.195 90 4 X I. P. Fetterman 21 Duesenberg Duesenberg Duesenberg 200 2:15:55.23 99.323 50 5 X Ora Haibe 3 Frontenac Frontenac Frontenac 193 Flagged 30 6 X Harry Hartz 12 Duesenberg Duesenberg Duesenberg 165 Broken oil line 7 X Frank Elliott 9 Leach Miller Miller 101 Broken axle shaft 8 X Jack Curtner 18 Fronty-Ford Ford T Fronty-Ford 77 Broken clutch 9 X Leon Duray 4 Frontenac Frontenac Frontenac 76 Engine 10 2 Tommy Milton 8 Leach Miller Miller 72 Wrecked, lost RR wheel 11 X Ray Howard 19 Fronty-Ford Ford T Fronty-Ford 2 Broken frame
Slightly O/T, but there are a few cars here you might like to see. Gary http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/gallery/19621/Welcome-to-the-Porsche-Museum.html
I`m not sure offhand, but Leaping Lena was a failure as far as I know. Checking the results for 1922: Which shows that I don`t know much. Milton did get a series of 2nd place finishes in the car in 1922,so not a failure. He actually won at least once,at Kansas City in 1922 in the car. I don`t believe he liked the car,though. I`m sure there are others here who can add to the story. Doing a bit of reading in the Miller Dynasty,I see that it was the combo of the Disteel Wheels and the cross springs front and rear that gave the car the rough ride and nickname.
I think you described their function right 37Kid but they do look back to front like they'd scoop instead of exhaust. They'd surely not weld them in and I'd expect they'd vary from car to car and side to side like most Italian bodies. For some reason I assumed this was the 8C 36 Vanderbilt spare car we'd been talking about but noticed it's a 12. That car is a recreation in the Alfa museum which might explain the dyslexic louvres, it's said to be the 8C Mays' car chassis. The Mays' Offy-Winfield motor resides in the Peter Giddings car which I assumed this was when I said you could expect to see the pair running this summer, pair meaning it and the Peter Greenfield 8C which had it's first outing at the new Hampton Downs track here after a freshen up.
This is the Voisin of Arthur Duray at the 1923 GP de l'ACF @ Tours - 2 June. The Sunbeams of Albert Divo {2nd} and Kenelm Lee Guiness {4th} can be seen in the background and what looks like a Bugatti. Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq was making it's debut with a newly designed engine by ex-FIAT engineer Vincenzo Bertarione. This engine was very similar to the straight eight Bertarione had been responsible for during his time with the Italian manufacturer. Those who saw the cars up close quickly renamed them 'FIATs in British racing green'.
1922 would mark Gabriel Voisin's foray into international competition. Below are two different cars from two different diciplines. The first photo is the winning Voisin Sport with an 18hp 3.9 liter 4cyl. driven by Henri Rougier at La Turbie Hillclimb on 12 March 1922. The second photo is another Voisin but i'm not so sure of where and when it was taken. It wears the #17 which was the 2 liter 4 cyl. car Piccione drove to 5th place at the 1922 GP de Tourisme @ Strasbourg in July. ??
Line up of cars: 1st row left: Jimmy Murphy, Duesenberg/Miller, 37.0" 1st row, right: Tommy Milton, Milton/Miller, 37.4" 2nd row, left: Frank Elliott, Miller, 38.2" 2nd row, right: Harry Hartz, Duesenberg, 38.4" 3rd row, left: Ralph Mulford, Frontenac 3rd row, right: Red Fetterman, Duesenberg, 40.0" 4th row, left: Jerry Wonderlich, Duesenberg, 40.0" 4th row, right: Leon Duray, Frontenac, 41.2" 5th row, left: Ora Haibe, Frontenac, 42.0" 5th row, right: Jack Curtner, Frontenac-Ford, 44.4" 6th row: Glenn Howard, Frontenac-Ford Line up of people: ?, Dwight Kessler (Duesenberg mechanic), George Stiehl (riding mechanic for Milton), Herschel McKee (riding mechanic for Elliott), Harlan Fengler (riding mechanic for Hartz), Tommy Milton, Harry Hartz, Ernie Olson (riding mechanic for Murphy), ?, Frank Elliott, ?, ?, one of the Henderson brothers (Duesenberg mechanic)
Henderson again, Marcel Treyvoux (riding mechanic for Mulford?), Arthur Chevrolet, Steve Nemesh (riding mechanic for Duray?), Glenn Howard, ?, Leon Duray, Louis Chevrolet, ?, ?, Ralph Mulford, Ira Vail, Augie Duesenberg, Ora Haibe, Shorty Hansen (riding mechanic for Haibe?), ?, Jack Curtner, ?, Tom Rooney, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, Thane Houser (riding mechanic for Wonderlich?), ?, ?
?, Red Fetterman, ?, Jerry Wonderlich, ?, ?, Neil Whalen, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, Homer Smith (riding mechanic for Curtner), ?, ?, Jimmy Murphy
Yes, the second picture is Piccione in the GP de Tourisme. Same car can be seen in Cyril Posthumus' book "Roaring Twenties", which also includes the picture of the Laboratoire 'tank' you posted earlier - but no identification of the people.
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