[/SIZE] I paint enough to know how much it costs me, sonny. Right now, today I can get Omni, BLACK, and other subtle colors mixed as I wait for $104(Retail) a gallon. Reds are about $175(Retail) a gallon.[/QUOTE] Guess what? Cheap paints often aren't available in every shade, the case with the color I needed, and secondly, if they are, chances are they won't match and/or cover well. There IS a difference. Your arguement is akin to saying Two Buck Chuck is good wine. Good enough for a cheap table wine, but it ain't Rodney Strong. Good for you if you're happy with cheap, second line stuff, but sometimes ya gotta step up to the plate and get first qualtity materials. Omni doesn't cover as well, the colors are off, it's worth what it costs. And for the record, I'm pretty grey myself, don't give me that sonny boy crap, or I'll have to whack you with my cane. Notice I didn't use a smiley face emoticon with this post.
What part of "I used Omni Black and it is Black", didn't you understand? I watched it being mixed, with the pigment called for from the machine. If it turned out brown for somebody the guy mixing it did it wrong..
Sorry, you're right. I should have just bought Omni red enamel, since it wouldn't match anyway, and gotten an entire gallon. Some of us get smarter as we get older, and some keep making the same mistakes over and over. What was I thinking? I'm done now, got a new AARP magazine to read...
Whoa there big fella! I mixed for over 5 years so I think I know what I'm talking about. Omni BLACK has a BROWN tint to it due to how much (more than half of a gal.) of mixing clear .
sirleadfoot; Well, I guess I got screwed, somebody mixed my MAE wrong and got it too black by mistake. Maybe it was 'cause I ask for black and was watchin' him. Ha.
well now we are getting somewhere..MAE. maybe that has something to do with it as I was thinking either MTK or MBC. sorry for not clarifing that earlier & we both might not have looked like asses eh?
Speak for yourself sirleadfoot. OMNI Acrylic Enamel is what I've been talking about all along. MTK is acrylic urathane. MBC IS acrylic basecoat.
im not a painter but i have worked with some good ones, and i have heard different ideas from coverage to durability to quality of color.. the one thing I noticed is in the blacks, we had a frame painted in single stage PPG, on the way to the show a small section got scratched, we had a small window to the next show and so we sprayed the omni single stage. It looked ok till i put my streamlight LED flashlight on it, the omni looked more like a charcoal gray while the ppg still looked pitch black.
It is best to just ignore everything 29nash has to say as he is only on this thread to stir up shit like he does on every other paint thread.
yeah I'm aware of what MAE MTK & MBC are. All I recall YOU saying is Omni. oh well. I've got better things to do than have an online pissin match with you. good day.
Yes, of course you are, now. So, how much do you pay for a gallon of Black, ah, er (brown tinted) MTK or MBC?
No, I'm here to point out that the shitstorm against OMNI is all bullshit. Can't figure out what your angle is. ????
I can't hear you Tman. my computer says, "This message is hidden because Tman is on your ignore list."
hey 29nash, go buy a pint of PPG black and take your omni black. Now do a sprayout of each and tell me the omni is not to the brown side. Even post some pics. Or just shut the hell up!
obviously you guys are correct. oddly i have a ppg deltron machine at my shop (though were not supposed to in this area) the jobber gave me some omni and shopline to restock it and told me it would work just like the deltron.....well it dont, and the brown shade all these guys speak of is very evidient when you look at both. now i got a couple gallons of junk black laying around as i wouldnt use that on anyones car. good for nash if he's happy with his paint work,and materials, but i chuckle loudly every time a guy says he can lay down black (insert any cheap brand here) and it dont need no rubbn, looks like glass, and is just as good as the expensive jobs....cause in the 40 years ive been a painter, and 36 as a shop owner i know for a fact that you cant skull
DING DING DING DING!!! We have another winner folks! Why is paint so expensive these days? I got 2 words for ya: PETROLEUM DISTLLATES[/QUOTE] Hey, I've been asked this for fourty years! History has always been tied to the price of paint. Every time the cost of World Crude Oil went up, paint followed. When the market dropped, paint stayed at the higher price. When I bitched WTH? I was told "development costs". During the Arab Oil Embargo of 1973-74 you called in for a price on material, and were asked to call back once they called the factory/distributor for the days' price! Today, besides the cost of doing business in a 2.10 world we have the E.P.A. If you live in a major metropolitan area you also have the local Air Quality Management District office to contend with. These fuckers are like a moody bitch, and can change their "standards" at will! They're also to blame for local restrictions on product availability. As a result, available products don't perform as in the past, often double in price, or are as worthless as mule cum when compaired to past products. The game of golf is lookin' better all the time! " Hypocrisy Is The Vaseline Of Social Intercourse"
And just for the record I never bashed anyones paint work, their cars or their personality. I am just stating facts that obviously others dont want to see. If your ok with a brown black, not a rich, deep black, thats fine. But dont be surprised if its commented on by someone who knows what they are looking at! This is limco black. Cheap and not muddy looking. I love omni products. Just not their black. Or MAE, that stuff is lame! haha
I had a guy order through TCP global, and pay with his card. and I was still accused of screwing him some how on the deal. plus he couldn't understand the shipping cost on it. umm... your shipping paint its heavy and toxic they are going to charge you.
Why in hell would I go to all that trouble when I already compared IMRON Black, the benchmark of great paints, with the Omni? Go check out my albums. I paint my own, do it for a hell of a lot less than the 'experts' and have won more than my share of prizes too. Go figure. Here's an invoice for a car I did in '08. Just called them up and asked if the price has gone up, they said "about 10 percent". mopargnome; You say, "Post pictures or shut the hell up?" How's about both?......... 1) Lips zipped. 2) If you wanna' see some of my paintin', check out my albums. On that Off Topic '31 Chivvy, the fenders on one side were done by my brother(RIP) with IMRON, I did the other side with MAE. I have never detected a 'brownish' tint to PPG Omni MAE and have never had anybody look at it and suggest such. Go figure. Two years later, nobody could tell the diff between the MAE and the IMRON, my brother (RIP) even forgot what side he did and couldn't pick them out. At shows we would ask admirers to tell the difference. Neither were buffed, or clearcoated. He told me once, "People that need to buff a new paint job, I say they need some practice with the spraygun". We had a few laughs about that too, before he died. Goodby guys. I'm steppin' aside for you'se guys that insist $100 a gallon paint can't be put on by an expert painter and compete with other higher priced paint. (Bow, curtsy, scrape, scrape) See ya back at the ranch, I'm bailin' this thread...........
imron had its day, but i wouldn't consider it the bench mark for black. i'll use thje stuff on occasion to paint a truck, and painted a christian eagle(airplane) with imron 500, and it was suited well for that, but id rather go with uno, or dcc for a car. you get more depth of color, and they rub better than imron. we slick down the trucks and airplanes, but i still like a rubbed finish on a car. skul
PPG's DCC line is great stuff. A little expensive but lays down nice and lasts. I have used it on several solid color projects. For metallics, use a base clear system. I have been using Omni base with PPG clear. Omni's clear will only last about 5 years before it starts breaking down unless its kept in a gatage most of the time. MAE, or any acrylic urethane for that matter, is the bottom of the line stuff. I try to avoid using it because I dont want my name on the cheap jobs. House of Kolor, Spies and Hecker and Diamont all make great products in all price ranges. To the OP, there are a million different options for paint. Decide a budget and what you want the car to look like and that will help decide what kind of material you put on it.
An old time paint supply guy once told me that there are 27 shades of black. I don't doubt him, as he always knew his stuff. For my money, I will take R&M nitro. laquer as the blackest black I have ever used. And that includes Imron. I still have a gallon left over from a job I did in the 70's. Too bad it does not have the flexability and scuff factor of todays paint.
hard to argue with the rm nitro black.... seems though it takes longer to paint one, than its gonna last, lol skull
I have been using DuPont since '64 NEVER had a problem with any of it, whether it was lacquer,enamel,centari, chroma base, or all the nason products..I do like the chroma base the best..used PPG, Valspar,and many others ..I just got the best results with DuPont ..All the rest are good products.One of the biggest problems is not following the mfg..directions and proper prepping.. Good luck..
OK, Now that the dust has cleared. (a little) I have found a color and will be using Dupont Chroma single stage. I have primed much of the car with Nason urethane 2k primer (421-19). Can I paint my chroma over that or do I have to reseal with the Dupont primer? If I have to reseal, do I have to strip the old? Any takers? Jim (the guy who started this mess!)
it's always best to spray a compatible non sanding sealer over primer right before you spray the paint. adhesion is much better that way with most any brand of material
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