What would you do with this buyer?

**** a boat load of DEAD NAZIS

 

Thank you for clarifying that. Norway was invaded and was not neutral. What German battleship was sunk in a Norwegian port by an American sub? I'm not aware of that. The Tirpitz was sunk in a Norwegian port by British RAF bombers.

 

>>>>,I don't remember the name of that Battleship ,,maybe Norway49Merc can help ,,i watched a do***entory about it on T V several years ago ,,we had crippled it ,,but it got away to hid in that cove & get repairs and supplies by Oslo,Norway ,,there was also a movie made about that deal ,,but ,,,i don't remember the name of it right now,,

 

Remember one very important thing when calling any country a "neutral country"-

A country could only be "neutral" when Hitler was ***ured it had no disagreement with his grand plans.

You were either with him, resisting him, or "had no problem with his plans".

If you had any concerns or objections at all with his agenda, you WERE an enemy.

 

Yes, this thread got derailed severely.

Since the guy hasn't communicated, contact him and tell him that you ***ume he's changed his mind and doesn't want to paint the truck or put the motor in it, and that if he doesn't arrange for it to be picked up and shipped in X days - 30, 45, 60 if you're feeling generous - that you'll have to start charging storage against it.

Call around and see what local storage rates are, they can be pretty expensive for cars that get towed - in some ways that's a scam because the tow fees get so high no one can ever get their car back - but if local places are getting $30, $40, $50 a day you're en***led to the average rate.

Include what the storage rate will be when you contact him, when it will start, etc. and frankly if you have the room I'd keep it inside so it doesn't dissapear or get damaged or anything in the meantime. I'd make it clear that as long as he keeps in touch and is making an honest effort to get it shipped you won't charge him, but that you need to have things set in stone to protect your liability in this situation. Or some legaleeze-sounding terminoligy along those lines.

I ***ume the paperwork hasn't changed hands, so as long as you keep good records you should be okay. It would be very difficult for him to come back and sue you over the truck. But there's no reason to jump the gun, you don't know if the guy's sick or in the hospital or something. He paid for it and from the looks paid decent money, so I'd be flexible with him.

 

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>>>>>,That 50% duty only applies to stuff shipped from the U.S. ,,the Government in Norway is still pissed at the U.S. for what we did in WW II ,,Norway was a Neutral Country ,,German and U.S. ships could go to Oslo and refuel and get food ,,plus stock up on amunitions,,,one nite ,,we snuck a Sub into that bay and sunk a German Battleship,,,it still sits there on the bottom ,,the entire crew died ,,

Sweden was neutral. Norway was occupied by the Nazis from 09.april 1940 to 08.may 1945. Norwegian citizens and Government really like everything Made in USA except Budweiser which really tastes like water with a dash of beer in it...

Muroc Speed Shop is a serious guy. Maybe he can help with this case? Many Norwegians pay to have cars fixed and rebuild before shipping.
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Thank you for clarifying that. Norway was invaded and was not neutral. What German battleship was sunk in a Norwegian port by an American sub? I'm not aware of that. The Tirpitz was sunk in a Norwegian port by British RAF bombers.

Hmm... I really dont know. I dont think I ever heard about something like this. It might have happened, and would be a heroic act. Taking a submarine into a Norwegian fjord without local knowledge is a hasardious game. The "landscape" at the seabottom is very similar to the landscape above the water, and its breathtakin.

My knowledge about WWII is from my schooldays, but I have special interest in the local facts. Did you know the first american officer who was killed in WWII was killed at Dombås? (Air Force) Kaptein Robert M. Losey was killed in a Bombattack April 21th 1940. He was sent by OSS, later named CIA. (This happened about 12 kilometers from my home.)

http://go.startsiden.no/go/e/content_results;siteId=230;afu=verden.abcsok.noa47index.html%3Fq%3D%2528Air+Force%2529+Kaptein+Robert+M.+Losey%26lr%3D%26x%3D17%26y%3D15/http://finland.usemb***y.gov/root/pdfs/cleverley.pdf

But I'm not sure our fellow HAMBers like this subject in the threads, so you are welcome to PM me, if you want.

 

Norway was NOT neutral! We was occupied and resisting Hitler and everybody who spoke German. Offcourse we had Nazis in Norway during WWII, but the genuine Norwegians took care of them after the war. Maybe the Norwegian guy who wanted 2 big guns in the PickUp is a relative to the old guys killing Germans during WWII?

 

>>>>,Hey Guys ,,Sorry i even brought the subject up ,,lets not Hi-Jack this Thread ,,lets keep it on the orig**** problem ,,
i Googled German Ships Sunk In and Around Norway" ,,and there was a bunch of em ,,so ,,go there and check it out ,,

 

Great 2 cents from all of you here - Thanks. Mr. Norway's truck is covered and in my shop. His money is in the bank until delivery is completed. The 357s will not be purchased (by me). The 572 and Tremec 6 speed are on hold until the first 25k dollar deposit is in my account which will cover the frame and suspension - maybe... The account I use for wire transfer is a old account with enough money in it to maybe buy cheesburgers for the grandkids (I take the $ out right away) so no worries there.
I plan to send more emails to the buyer and wait on his "return" before making any decisions. This has been just another crazy ride... reminds me of the old days - open header big block 4 speed straight axle Saturday Night Drags...Stand on it and hope when the hood comes down your still in your lane..or close to it.

A/A

 

Definitely stick with the original deal. I sell stuff on eBay quite often and constantly get people overseas trying to do **** like this. I always let them know that it wasn't a part of the original deal and can't be held responsible for any changes. They usually understand if they've already paid.

 

NorMerc - You are right about that. I export cars to Norway every month and my contacts there are the nicest and most trustworthy people one could want as business partners. I often get "weird" joke emails from them and sometimes they ask in earnest about nigerian scam emails. If anything they are the ones that could be taken advantage of easily and I am sure that many Norwegians have negative experiences dealing with the world.
My nicest Norway experience: A friend of a friend wrote me an email to look at a 5 year old Ferrari for him in Beverly Hills. I contacted the seller, looked at the car, ran a carfax and concluded that the seller was fishy and could not be trusted. I sent my report to Norway and did not charge the guy for my troubles as he was a friend of a friend. A week later I receive a wire transfer for $1000 with the note "Thank You - Nobody works for free"
Great Country -Outstanding People!
VonWegener

 

Yeah, it does. Guns?

Hey, I own guns, and I support the Second Amendment, but there are laws dealing with this sort of thing and what he's asking you to do smells a lot like a federal felony to me. Do you know what a straw purchase is?

Read up on it and think about the possible result of a conviction, which would be a slam dunk if a federal prosecutor or law enforcement agent finds this thread.

And that's just the beginning. Here is another little part of the federal laws:

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And this ...

There's more on the web page linked above, too.

Trust me. There's an entire collection of violations in what he's asking you to do. Any one of them could drop you into either a state or federal prison.

Think about that.

 

Germany attacked Norway april 9. 1940 and occupied it until may 5. 1945. I think you got your history lessons mixed up.
Sweden was neutral, and stil is.
Denmark was neutral, but stil invaded by Germany.
Lars

 

So - you just joined the HAMB and have (6) posts

One is for a car you are selling for 45K:

@ http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5098095#post5098095

Seems you joined to profit

Sorry, but anyone having a $45,000 car to sell and having
just sold a car to a guy in Norway sounds like he should be
helping out HAMBers instead of asking for help ......


Jim

 

Well, yeah. I thought it was a quiz. You didn't? I like the $25K job opportunity tossed in for good measure too. If you turn down the tunes or TV you can almost hear the oohs and aahs.

 

I still think Deal #1 was the bait for Deal #2, but you seem to have dollar signs clouding your vision, don't say we didn't warn you.

Bob

 

Life is good. Big problems.

 

Apparantly no itro post either.

 

bingo!

 

How much is he gonna pay you to remove the mirrors?

 

Build him a compartment that a loaf of bread will fit in. Or 2. Or 3. Tell him where they are, then they won't be secret anymore.......

 

The above is my vote---wire transfers can be reversed long after the fact. Close that account and maybe switch banks ASAP. Maybe he could drain the account since he has all your wire, routing and account numbers? I'll bet there is lots more to this story coming.

As a side comment, bank drafts can be "stopped" as well despite accepted knowledge that they can't. I had to do it once. Moments after the deal i found the guy bragged over lying to me about a major material fact and got away with it cuz he had my bank draft. Imagine his surprise.

 

Where is it that wire transfers can be reversed?

I always open a new savings account to accept the transfer, then clean it out to whatever the bank's minimum is as soon as it comes through.

 

I work in a finance type field and it happens all the time. Mistakes get made or too much gets sent and I usually find out that it was reversed after the fact. Guy reverses on the other end and they just "reverse" and debit the account.

 

Your wife is wrong about wire transfers, there are a number of scams around them. The most common being below, it was used in the watch world for 6 months before anyone caught on.


Say I want the truck at 20K. I buy it and get your wire information.

I put something worth about 25K on eBay/Auction, that does not exist, but take 20K it looks legit and its not a huge stretch in discounted price.

I give the truck sellers wire information to the buyer on eBay. He wires the money to the seller of the truck not knowing the difference.

I get the truck, it takes at least a month for eBay/auction to get everything straightened out on a non delivery of item.

Bank gets it worked out, comes after the seller of the truck for the wire money which it has the right to do.

So no truck no money and you get screwed. Next to no recourse.


Now it happens with smaller items more often then cars, things like watches, jewelry and the like. Cars get done more often as out of country purchases.

 

If the guy wants work done... no problem!

If he insists on guns... problem.

My dad sold a Mercedes engine to a German national a few years back; ended up looking for some other things for him, too. The two became friends and help each other out now.

And Dad was the purchaser, too. He bought a couple planes (Yaks) out of Russia; negotiated for spares and work to be done. Just like the Noweigan guy.

Oh, and I'd move the money out of the account, too. Like the saying, "trust, but verify".

-Bill

 

This smells wrong on a lot of levels and you may, or are likely to be required to report the guns and foreign county connection to the the BATF or something like that. The guns/foreign country is a big red flag, even more so if the country of origin of the funds is a su****ious one. I would send no "money" back and would talk to the federal law guys for guidance on the guns thing.

As well, there is a money laundering act that prohibits most financial transactions from certain countries suspected of being lax on so-called terrorist connections. This is the same law that makes the banker watch out for (and report) cash transactions that aggregate $10,000 or even $5,000 or ANY cash transaction that appears su****ious. This is a complex issue and your experience appears su****ious.
It is not any longer, but a few years back, Canada was even on this list and it's citizens or even Americans living there were probi***ed from having bank or investment accounts in the USA. This has now been partially modified.

On the finance side, the bank manager can offer guidance. I'd make sure to segregate your funds from the other funds.

If something feels right, it usually is. And if something feels wrong, it usually is as well.

 

just because you said you have the $$, doesn't necessarily mean it's there. check to see if your bank actually has a cleared money transfer, wire, deposit, etc. it can go through as such, but in the end if there is a foul up, your bank will come to you for the $$.

 

I rather "nearly" do see the problem......
You got the money, and have car in place. What can be wrong? If you wanna get rid of asap, then give the guy message about it. Although it wonders why the buyer cant be reached, as a foreigner bought a unseen car of small pictures (?), why he hadnt contacted you and fixed the upload. Normally most of us buyers want our property, asap, longing to see what & how the car is! But perhaps he got waiting list to load it... i dont know.
About the money, i understand that theese are in your hands, then it cant be redrawn, and where is pink slip? Buy you? Also this post is alike one reason a lot of Norwegians (&other foreigners) are a bit afraid of doing business outside country, and just uses guys they had done business, or buyed from in the past, for all things over in US. American (as i know from lot of forums,us. friends,etc) seem to be quick to shout about SCAM........ What should an foreigner belive, buyed a more figured money talk car after just seen pictures at some few inches? We have to wait at least 5-6weeks to get it to the country, have to pay all high taxes & freight, whatever condition (as written,or not). I got a guy from E-pay complaining about not recived Paypal after 4 hour, with 4 messages,... in the ad he written 7days, or it will be sold ... Bad enough,we also has jobs,etc. somebody also get injuried, go to hospital,etc...

About the War, please read historic, and remember Norway ain´t Sweden, that´s two different countries!

Guns is also allowed in Norway, but not open, and you need a special permit from police to have one. (this also have a lot of rules to it.) Its possible to import, but also with special license, police permit,and of course Custom clearence.

If he want some extra stuff done, be glad! Its another possibility to earn money!
As long he transfer the money to you, up front, what should be the problem then?
Ok, some more to do with this customer, but money talks,or?
Its an easy way for foreigners to save hopefully some taxes, all parts in the car could be taxfree, and major mounted parts at car is paid by the car tax. Well, the hidden compartment & buying the guns, i´d rather stayed away from......this could get your self in trouble.. if he don´t come over and do the upload him self.

A lot of "posters" does messages about possibilities for future great friendship,etc.
and many of them are used to do foreign business, listen to them, or keep your ads away form international selling!

Give the guy a chance, message him about upload in reasonable time, or he has rental to pay.......

Give me a PM about name,adress, phone,etc. and i try to help you reach him..

 

I hope that this was not an eBay deal with payment thru PayPal. Ebay/PayPal will come after the money if the buyer says he did not get his truck.
Good Luck