Well, I've been holding off on saying anything about this car until the deal was DONE. It's MY car now, and now I have to set up transport to get it to Washington State. It'll be parked next to my 56 Sedan Delivery in the garage until it's ready to make it's NEW drag strip appearance, most probably at Bremerton Raceway. So, just so everyone knows, it's mine, all mine! Butch/56sedandelivery.
The switching to a camaro has me a little confused as I always thought this picture was of Trick Tank Joe after the wagon. Think a partner in this car was Jeff Seligman (sp?). Maybe the other Joe Kenney.
Island Worker, I'll fill in some details. I think Joe sold 'Trick Tank' at the end of 1970 (it was in H/SA at the time with the 383/343HP dual-quad). He held the G/SA record in 1969 with a 12.65. The hot ticket for 71' was the 69' 350/255HP Chevy engines. Joe got a 69' rag-top non-SS car. Saw him many times at Dover, with the white with white/convertible top, in J/SA or K/SA? Ran pretty much dead-on 12.90's, dipping into the 12.80's occasionally. Ran only $tock Eliminator. Not sure why he sold 'Trick Tank', either good $'s, or the H/SA record got trashed, or he could not run it in Super/Stock (5-year old rule), or maybe just got tired of running it after 3years. I think his old nemesis, Ronnie Morehead with the red 'Tiny Tim' a 1962 PV544 U/Stock Volvo from Newburgh area bought it. In 72'/73' he ran the Camaro in SS/MA or SS/NA. Paul (Part 1)
Island Worker, (Part 2) The 1967 Valiant 273/235HP K/SA was owned by Jeff Seligman. He was co-owner of R & S Auto Parts in Danbury, Connecticut. I think that car may have also been co-sponsored by Route 7 Chrysler-Plymouth, in Brookfield, Connecticut. The car was prepped by Joe Kenney. It did run at Dover in 71' ?. In K/SA, the same time my father was running his 67' Cuda in L/S. It was a decent running car, 14.50's or so for Class Trophy, but not on level for $tock Eliminator. Jeff only ran it for a year. His main competition, a 1964 Belvedere with 361/265HP 2-barrel. My father tried to get Jeff to run him in Time Trials, but they never got lined up. Paul
Island Worker, Well you asked,,, Of course I had to get corrected by one of my friends Mike. He ran against Jeff with a 1968 Ford Galaxie 2-door hardtop with a 390/315HP 4-barrel. He reminded me to mention, that it was with a Cruise-O-Matic, 3.25 non-posi rear with H-78 x 15" tires, 'Hush-Thrush' mufflers and the most important modification 'chrome valve covers'!. It did leave the best 'smokey burn-outs'. While he spent each Sunay doing his single-wheel burn-out off the line, Jeff's Valiant was on his way to picking up the Trophy. Poor Ford Galaxie, worn-out H-78 x 15" and a 15.80 E.T. time slip. At least he had nice valve covers. By the way, 'his hair was perfect'. PC
I'm thinking you have me confused with "WagonKiller", he has Tokyo Rose. My 56 Delivery is a streeter. The 57 Delivery will be a Nostaglia Junior Stocker. Butch/56sedandelivery.
You're right, of coarse. Be sure to post some photos when you get the delivery home. What is happening with the Tokyo Rose anyways?
I think I've said this before on the forum; engines, transmissions, rear ends, brakes, suspensions, and the like, I have no problem with. But, I'm an ideopathic moron when it comes to computers, and that applies to posting pics. One of these days, when I can corner my daughter, I'll at least learn how to post pics; and I have a ton of them. Butch/56sedandelivery.
sitting in a building,stripped,gutted,and ready for body to come off the frame.Still have to disconnect the z bar assembly and remove motor mounts for the engine removal. Hard doing something with nothing,but i have done it before and i'll do it again. slowly aquiring parts. found a lot i need but money would be the factor there.
Yesterday my son sent me a link to an eBay auction for a piece of drag race history, Dave Strickler's '68 Camaro. Back when I first met Jerry MacNeish in 1994, I gave him a Stahl-Moroso mechanical tach as my contribution to the restoration as I was certain it would have been equipped with one. Jerry has raced the car in E/S for years and has done a great job on the restoration. Anyone with a few extra bucks should add this to their garage. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chev...592QQitemZ280510961042QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
I agree Tom awesome restoration....... www.draracersreunion.ning.com click on radio wednesdays at 7 eastern standard time......
i know where the 52 is,,,, i need to sell one of my mopars to get,, wife said too many toy's,,, i'am in the show at york this year,, there with my dodge,,, rb
Mike, You wanted to know the results of that 1971 K/SA class/race at Dover in 1971. Not sure if Jeff's 1967 Valiant 273/235HP was there. You ran the 68' Ford Galaxie Hardtop,390/315HP #3871lbs. ET = 15.83 Jim D ran the 68' Caprice Hardtop, 396/325HP #3953lbs. ET = 15.84 Mike C ran the 70' AMC Rebel SST, 360/290HP #3460lbs. ET = 15.85 How did you guys do that? To run damn near even!!!! PC
Mike, It may be possible that Joe Kenney got involved with that 1967 Valiant 273/235HP during 1970. It was a perfect fit for K/SA with a 12.01 wt/hp break. Joe K was pretty sharp on the weight/numbers. But I think he must have seen the hand-writing on the wall, with the invasion the 69' Camaro's with the 350/255HP (I think #LM1 engines). The 67' Valiant was fully-prepped with all the 'Good-Stuff', but was obviously over-matched. Don't think I ever saw it get into the 13.00's. PC
Mike, I'm not the expert on that question, but I think the 350/255HP #LM1 engine was only available in the early 69' Camaro's (non-SS cars), not the later 69' cars. Same thing for the Nova's and Chevelle's. I guess it was considered a 'quiet performance engine', as not too many people (outside the smart racers) knew it was available. That engine put the 69' Camaro's and 69' Nova's in J/S in 1969, and in K/S in 1970. Also, in 1970, with the same engine-combo, the Chevelle 300's got classed in L/S, and the Malibu's in M/S. They kind of ran the gamit. DAMN CHEVY'S. Engine was under-rated 255HP. PC
The 350/255 HP Chevy engine was IDENTICAL to the 300 HP 350s except for head c.c.s (73.3) approx 1 point in compression. , chamber shape, and casting number (#441)and was avaliable all year in most passenger cars except the Corvette. The 250 HP version was the same as the 255 HP version except it had a 2 barrel carb.
X-Tech, I thought they discontinued the 350/255HP 4-barrel in mid-year, and only offered the 350/250HP 2-barrel as the mid-performance engine. Like you said, pretty much the same engine as the 350/300HP, except for the larger combustion-chamber cylinder heads. The LM1 engines were 2-bolt mains, and the 350/300HP for the most part were 4-bolt mains. Saw enough go through my fathers shop. Made no difference, 2-bolt or 4-bolt, still a good little engine. Paul
They might have stopped making them but I still saw a lot of new Camaros and novas with it until the end of the year model run. It was definately way under rated. Even the lowly 2 barrel combo flew (Don McElroy(sp?) along with Allan Peters) and held records and won a couple of National events back before the NHRA cam and spring rule change in 1985.
X-Tech, I think John Lingenfelter got everybody crazy with that combo for SS/NA, when he won the 1972 U.S. Nationals with the rag-top 69' Camaro too. Can't believe they rated that engine at 255HP, with a 750cfm Quadra-Jet. Oh well, so it goes! Paul
Paul, Lingenfelter cashed in with that combo alright, but he was not the first one to get noticed. Bobby Warren had already one a couple of meets with his 255 combos, including the '71 Dallas Springnationals, which he won with his 69 Chevelle 300 Deluxe K/Stocker. Joe Santangelo and I started on a Chevelle wagon for Stock in mid 1971, when we got pushed into Super Stock in 1972.
Bobby Warren ran that engine as well as Bud Rowe in '69 Chevy II's in J/S and J/SA in 1970 and were quite fast. Dave Boertman won the first SummerNationals held at York in 1970 driving a full size Chevy (I don't recall what body style it was) with the 350/255 in N/SA. Many racers were hesitant to try that combo untill these guys proved it was way underfactored. It always amazed me how many "441" heads were made and they were only produced for 1 year. They did use them on some 400's in '70 but they had bigger exhaust valves if I recall right....1.6's instead of 1.5's. I have raced that engine a couple times...1 in SS and 1 in Stock....Really a strong running engine for what is there. The Stock cam for those 350's high or low compression is the same.....390/410 lift.....pretty amazing how fast they can run with such a limit on lift.....
boertman ran a '69 biscayne, also won indy in '70 with his N/SA 255horse 350.... his daughter has posted on this thread.
Ah yes, the D-A Speed and Sport Oil Tower at Indy.........Yes back in those days racers were given products for free. A free case (24 cans) of their oil to all Indy competitors....Free Champion Spark Plugs......Free Hurst Aid.....and shifter parts....STP by the case and free tee shirts....... Dave Boertman was one of the all time best.......I did not recall that he won Indy that year......I know he was the overall Champion in both Stock and Super Stock a number of times......
I remember talking to Dave B. about 20 years ago at Rockingham ? or Bristol during an IHRA event and the subject of win money came up. He said he won over $13,000 from the Indy win in 1970 with an engine that he had less than $350 in. Anyone know what that $13,000 would be in 2010 money?
Here is a photo taken at York in 1970. Boertman is behind Tony Pizzi and ahead of Max Sterling during time trials.
$13,000.00 in 1970 had about the same buying power as $74,465.17 in 2010. And, as to the money he put into the engine ... $350.00 in 1970 had about the same buying power as $2,004.83 in 2010. From ... http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm
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