Wow. For the last couple pages it's clear that "somebody" is stuck on sumpin. What makes me scratch my head is that Shopline replaced Omni years ago. MTK and the rest of that clan was gone by the end of 2000. Makes me think anyone buying it is buying salvage or old stock. Black? None of em really hit perfect black. Duponts blacks run "blue", most all PPGs run just a bit "brown" but one of em is a bit "grey" and I don't remember which one. HOK is just about the blackest black around. Almost too black for good ol 'nitro on an original car but close enough. All pouting and posturing aside, I'll take Sam Adams taste test on what posted with anyone. We're a help and enthusiast forum. A good "big dick" contest is fun but this ain't the post for it.
Before you topcoat your primer with anything, if it has sat longer than 16 hours after being sanded, you should scuff it with red scotchbrite. If you haven't even prep sanded it yet...no worries. I use Nason on my ARCA cars, because its a waste of money to use expensive stuff on something that won't last 1 race. You can actually basecoat right over the primer, but I wouldn't recommend it. Nason offers a ready to spray sealer similar to the old DuPont Velva-Seal that works well considering its like lacquer primer. They also have a 2K sealer which is what I would use in your case. Or , the ultimate would be a DuPont brand non sanding epoxy primer/sealer. I use Chroma Premier at work, so I don't know what the regular product is for regular Chroma. These paint threads seem to always stir up pissing matches. I have used at least 4 or 5 different brands of paints in the 15+ years I have in the game. You can make any of them work if you follow the directions on the tech sheets. Some just work better than others, and some people have different expectations in their results. Having said that, let me throw my jabs in LOL. PPG: Poor adhesion, harder to match, clears die out, NCP surfacer is non-iso and is glorified lacquer primer (= shit) and it (all) solvent creeps. You can't even repair it with its own kind without it blowing up sometimes. HOK: Old news. Sweet colors. Solvent creeps. Requires talent. DuPont: Tried it after wasting my time with PPG and never looked back. I'm sure there are other paints better but I have never been let down, ever. Ever! OEM colors always have less variances, the clears are clearer, and the adhesion is there. And you can fix boo-boos with ease. Good luck Jim!
As long as you have a properly prepared surface, seal it then spray it. I am not a big fan of Dupont, except for 222s adhesion promoter, that stuff rocks. Good luck and post some pics after its done.
Someone asked about the Summit house brand and eastwoood. I think they're Kirker, at least the Summit stuff is supposed to be. I ordered mine from smartshoppersinc.com, haven't used it yet but heard good things for the price.
Is Valspar the budget version of HOK? I want to shot the "cool vanila" colour by Valspar. HOK states on their website that is not good to mix brands with HOK, but they don't state if that applies only to their competitors, or if this includes the subsidiary companies: De Beers, HOK, & Valspar. If anyone else has input, feel free. thx.
The difference is what paint do you want to buy? You are the customer they are the provider. Maybe if you have to play with it buy the cheaper stuff until you get the color you want then buy the more expensive stuff in the same color if you like it better.
I was told by the people at smartshopper.com that Valspar makes all HOK paint. So it would seem logical that they would be compatable. Since they sell both brands, why don't you give them a call and ask them about your concerns? BTW, Kirker urethane paint is great for the money. it's watery, and is a low solids paint (as all the cheap paints seem to be) but if you are building a driver quality car, its something to consider. I use it on chassis parts, inside trunk areas and frames, and I even painted my garage door with some white Kirker paint. It's been in the sun for over 2 years and still looks like new. YMMV
I called like u suggested, and tech dept. told me HOK and Valspar are not compatible. "They are a different technology" is what the guy said.
I really dont know for sure, but this guys got a way to mix it..and a cool way for some neat paint effects..check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-9xk3B1Xmo
They might have you confused, or vice versa. Many times when they say compatibility, they actually mean your paint being compatible with your reducer and catalyst, etc. For example I'll regularly put HOK primer, PPG sealer, PPG base, HOK effects, and PPG clear on one job. It all depends on how you do things, and knowing what you can get away with.
Surprised he didn't use red or green paint. That's an old show-didn't know they aired that in Michigan. Btw, my father hunts deer there in the Nth peninsula.
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