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Residential Glass in a Model A?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by todd_a, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. todd_a
    Joined: Apr 18, 2009
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    from Tyler, TX

    I just had a residential gl*** place cut me a windshield from a template I made. They used laminated gl*** which they explained was two layers of gl*** sandwiching a plastic layer in the middle. Only thing is that it isn't tempered gl***, so they said if I bang on it, I could crack it easier than tempered gl***.

    Do a lot of people go this route for the flat gl*** for the older rods?
     
  2. Front gl*** usually isn't tempered, rear is, that is why chopping rear windows such as 50s cars is hard/impossible to do
     
  3. BloodyKnuckles
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    Winshield and side gl*** on my cars are laminated from the factory.

    Good luck.




    ******Knuckles
     
  4. Spidercoupe
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    In the state of missouri it is a law the windshield be laminated. all the side and rear gl*** can be tempered
     
  5. todd_a
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    But laminated would be fine on the sides and rear also?

    They charged me $52 for the windshield which had the arc cut in the bottom. I'm planning to have them do the rest of the 5 windows also, and I bet they will all be pretty cheap too!

    Awesome! Finally came across something I couldn't build myself that didn't end up costing an arm and a leg to get for this thing!
     
  6. Johnny1290
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    I'm not sure there's much option besides using lammy for custom cut gl***.

    Yep it'll crack easier just part of the fun!

    I spent som time in Tyler in the 90s. Great place for hotrods, saw some nice ones!
     
  7. Wildfire
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    I did the same, mine is kind of green colored. Sort of a built-in tint.
     
  8. zzford
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    Laminated gl*** is about the only gl*** available to builders. You can have plate gl*** tempered, but, generally speaking, laminated is the standard.
     
  9. JohnEvans
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    Laminated is the only type gl*** legal for windshields.
     
  10. gas pumper
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    Allthe old gl*** you see with the white fog in the middle is laminated.

    Henry pioneered laminated windshields with the Model A. Before this the gl*** was single layer plate gl*** and was very dangerous when shattered.

    Tempered gl*** is kinda modern.
     
  11. Francisco Plumbero
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    Some states require the embossing logo, on the front the laminate is all the same, I had a commercial / residential gl*** shop that said they would be happy cut the side and rear gl*** for me and then send them to a tempering oven and make it into tempered gl*** for me, they would even emboss it.
     
  12. tommy
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    I actually did use residential gl*** in the side and rear windows of my first 34 P/U. I wanted a light gold tint to the gl***. My gl*** guy said no problem. He ordered a piece of tinted gl*** for a shower door. All shower doors are tempered for the same safety reason.

    I sold the truck and found it a couple of years later. The third owner said he replaced all the gl***. I asked him why? He said it was the original 34 gl***. When I told him I had replaced it only a few years earlier, he said no way it still had the 34 Penna. inspection sticker on the w/shield. I said I know. I paid 15 bucks for that decal!:D
     
  13. -Brent-
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    That green tint you see is a 6% tint, found in virtually all auto makes today. You can order laminated (or safety gl***) without the tint if you choose.
     
  14. paintcan54
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    I have laminated gl*** in the wife's '41 International pick up, tinted dark smoke all the way around, the dark tint is nice in daylite but a ***** on a dark rainie night. What makes it nice is that it's a flat gl***.
     
  15. todd_a
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    Man, they are all over here. Hot rods, customs, and lots and lots of older guys with original Model A's. Tons of Billet Street Rods here too. lol When I bought my pile, it had been purchased by the previous owner to eventually become a show street rod with lots of billet.

    And don't get me started on the rice in this town! hahaha
     
  16. todd_a
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    Well awesome! Sounds like I didn't go some goofy route after all. I'm on the right track.

    I just figured it up and based roughly on the price for this windshield, I should be able to get all the remaining 5 pieces of gl*** for another $150 or so. Sweet!
     
  17. 29nash
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    It isn't 'residential' gl***. It's laminated safety gl***, mandated for windshields in US-built cars since before 1930, still legal, and required, here in Colorado. An auto gl*** tech won't put tempered in the windshield here. Since major windshield manufacturers don't sell windshields for older rides, the choice is obvious.
     
  18. All the gl*** in a Model "A" is laminated. Tempered gl*** didn't come into use for many years after. BTW, tempered gl*** in the windshield is against Federal DOT regs, not just state. If an experienced gl*** man cut your gl***, I'm sure he set you up with the right stuff.
     
  19. gsport
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    $150.00 is a sweet price for 5 pieces of gl***....
     
  20. 39 Ford
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    Laminated gl*** used to be(and may still be) rated for the placement in the car. AS-1 was windshield and the others were AS-2.
     
  21. terrarodder
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    The model A I bought in the 50's had regular gl***, not laminated. Maybe somebody changed it all. Put laminated gl*** in when I chopped so I could run it the drags.
     
  22. 29nash
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    Sometime early in the late 1920s or 1930s Laminated was required in the windshield, but not in the side windows.

    I've changed out a lot of plate gl*** in early 30 model As and Chivvies. Any windshield that was plate gl*** was put in there after it left the factory.

    Whilst restoring our 1929 references all agreed that "The way Henry did it" on the '29 was laminated in the windshield, plate in side and back windows. Of course we discussed it with a lot of experts and the consensus was that after they came from the factory, a lot of people cut their own gl*** from the hardware store, so plate gl*** was used without a doubt to replace factory safety gl***. On the other hand anybody with half a brain wouldn't use plate gl*** for replacement, given the obvious hazard. If you have ever seen anybody that's been cut up in a crash involving plate gl*** windows its worse than a FreddyKrueger horror movie.

    Here it is with laminated windshield, all others plate.
    Our Mom with our '29.jpg


    Here it is with laminated safety gl*** all around.
    Our '29 after new Lacquer in 1995.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2010
  23. olskool34
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    I have a bone stock model A coupe, 1929. All the windows are tempered gl*** but the windshield is laminated, even has the 29 code down at the bottom. All model a's had laminated windshield gl*** but the side windows and back were tempered.
     
  24. F&J
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    Yes. Back in the 50 and early 60s, some states DMV inspections were looking for AS-2 windshield logos on any car coming from Europe as used cars, imported by the owner.

    In some countries, AS-2 was used by the car factory in the front windshields of non-USA destined cars. VW for example, used both, depending on where the car was being shipped.

    AS-1 is non-glare; that's the difference.

    AS-2 is for side windows.
     

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