Crappy work from Winfields Rod and Custom

I think you just put your finger on it, right there. I've seen cars from more than one of the 'old masters' stripped down to metal, and what I saw in the OP fit right in. Back then, guys weren't English wheeling panels and metalfinishing customs; they were roughing in the shapes and finishing with filler. It wasn't until the Marcel DeLays, Ron Covells, Ron Fourniers, Trepaniers, Fooses, Coddingtons, and the like started coachbuilding that the current standards of metalfinishing came into play. I have one of Gene's DVDs on metalwork, and frankly, I'm not totally surprised by this thread.

That said, I've never chopped a top in my life, and I could have done as good of work as what was in the original post.

 

I see you have photos of the car being worked on in bare metal why would'nt you express your concerns at that point.

 

x2 we may not have all the facts....

 

i will wait for a response from the shop.
two sides to a story.

 

Not for nothing but WHY blast the WHOLE car ??? Why not just the areas that had work done..was there another reason for this ?

I mean just from a cost stand point ,,makes no sense

 

for the most part this is a fact!

 

i just gotta say this ,, gene is a legend and the final product looks great but some of these guys on here crack me up i have seen some guys bashing bondo which i personally dont mind,, so bad oh dont use it, i hammer weld everything no bondo ect, ect, ect, but when Maybellen shows a quarter of a inch of bondo no one says anything..... wtf....like i said it doesn't bother me but its just funny who they slam and who they dont...

 

haha..my body work is traditional

 

It would be wise to contact them first before posting here. I understand your frustration but that would be the morally correct way to do things.

 

My fenders and hood, were always here at home and already blasted. Why would i blast only part of the body if I was already gonna blast some of it?

 

I think you'd be surprised how many famous cars look like this underneath the cover-up...

I've seen some of the cars everybody drools over in the magazines being built, and I can assure you this is not an isolated case...

That said, I wouldn't want somebody to do my car that way and I wouldn't expect work like that from a shop like Winfield's... I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

I'm not sure what the other side of the conversation could be that could justify work like that...

 

well thats something i would have done prior to the chop ,,not after

 

Only if he wanted something from them... He's already gotten his car back, so he's already dealt with them...

If you own a business every job that leaves your shop has your name on it. The work is your signature... So if crappy work leaves your shop, you have nothing to say if someone shows it to the world.

I have made similar mistakes in choosing the old-time shop with the history to do work for me (and usually paying a butt-load more for the pleasure) only to have sub-par work done...

I've come to the conclusion that like anything else, they're only as good as the last job that left the shop.

History don't me jack to the guy with the f'ed up car...

 

i bet alot of famous customs are nothing but filler.

Ever heard the term "Lead-Sled?" It use to be an insult

 

Keep in mind what just happened to Shirley Sharrod (sp?) recently in the news. This sort of stuff isn't so different. Will be interesting to see what develops.

 

I agree, I wanted to have a chop on my car. It was my first build, I figure okay why not take a chance and call "Gene Winfield" and get a quote. The guy is a legend, who wouldn't right? He said he just happened to have an opening to take another car in if I could get it to him right away, and that it would only take him probably 3 months. I pulled the car from the suspension shop and it was there the same weekend.

 

I am not looking for resolution from Gene. I am only letting people know what can happen.
What is Gene gonna do for me now? Redo the work? No thanks (might take longer than the previous). Refund me all my money (I highly doubt that). I have excepted my losses
and learned a valuable lesson. I am merely letting other people know not to make my mistakes.

 

Watching this one!

 

NOW is the perfect time to learn how to finish it yourself. Again...not trying to be an ass, just pointing out the opportunity to take the bull by the horns.

 

I agree, you can't fuck it up any more than it already is, and as the old "traditional" saying goes...."If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself."

 

It may not make a difference.

Trust me.

'nuff said

 

I dont see how it could be more different.

Keep Politics off the HAMB.

 

There's a picture of Mr. Winfield working on the car.

What exactly would need to be brought to his attention that he doesn't already know?

You don't need to call out CSI on this one, the man's not a fool or senile, give him some credit.

It looks like the car was done in a 1950's style and to a 1950's build standard, which is quite different than a 2010 build standard.

I would hazard a guess that subject wasn't discussed prior to the job.

 

Nice looking car, some people or shops spend at least twice the time doing the "metal finish" cars.
I bet the paint job would have been bitch'n though.
But like was said I think metal work has just gotten that much more intense, damn Discovery channel, raising the bar to unreachable heights!

 

what the hell is a 1950 standard and a 2010 standard? please tell me i want to know... to me a 50's standard is lead filler, a 2010 standard is fiber filled plastic filler...
A real body man has a personal standard , that is an individuals standard and not a year to date standard.. and i'm not talking about a paint shooter, i'm talking about a body man and trust me, there is a difference..

 

It's only metal.. you can fix it.

 

I've worked with Gene and I know for a fact that that work is not up to his standards. The standards and quallity of work back in the old days is not the same and they are today. That being said Gene does practice some methods that I would not myself.

I, on the other hand, do not think it is right to get behind a keyboard and trash someone without at least giving them the chance to defend themselves.

The right thing would be to contact Gene and take it up with him.

I consider Gene a friend and I am offended at this entire post.

 

true, but it would make me a little mad if I had to fix what a professional, especially one of that magnitude, already did and I paid him too do.

 

There are no excuse to do this job and then charge you for it, no matter what the builders name is.

 

For one thing, I'm not hiding. I've been sitting here answering all your questions. I'm waiting for the defense, what do you think Gene is gonna tell me? Sorry? How much is that worth?