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History Auto racing 1894-1942

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. kurtis
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    I'm sure this is the same car.
    I didn't know it was Chev powered. Where did you find the photo T?
     

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  2. T-Head
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    I found it on a site from Canada? that had later stock car racing photos on it......
     
  3. Bluto
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    Problem is that with time the 'Made-up fakes History/Stories' somehow become real.

    I remember a friend that wanted to run the Mille Miglia.... I told him to tell the Club MM that the car was build by to guys for the Mexican Road race and then when it was over were trying to run it in tme MM but couldn't get the money needed to run........ OK MM rejects the car.....

    Afew months later I see it for sale as a Mexican Road Race car... not completed in time..... My whole BS story.

    So I call my friend Joe and say 'What makes your car a Mexican Road racer??'' Long pause..... JOE IT'S A STORY I TOLD YOU TO HELP YOU GET INTO THE MILLE MIGLIA' Joe says 'Sorry I forgot that'

    We still laugh about that together.

    Even between friends and good guys stories get carried on and on.

    There are a lot of serious people out there spending time, effort, and money to find and save real history

    Every BS car and story bypasses their efforts to preserve history.
     
  4. Bluto
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    Jim was up there by you. I spoke with him several times he worked on some great ARRCA racers. And a ton of the postwar Chowder and Marchers stuff. Larry Kulok and Bob Greer were customers among many others

    You know I miss those guys. Once I took Austie Clark, Alec Ulman and Jim MacGee to lunch It's too long a story to type but these guys were just great to listen too. They had done so much living they didn't need to make anything up.

    Unlike some we know.............
     
  5. kurtis
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    This is the same point that a certain gentleman who joined us and then left was trying to make, understandably.

    "Nostalgia being mistaken for History", i think is what he said.
     
  6. kurtis
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  7. The37Kid
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    Helle Nice with the 122 MILLER and owner/driver Larry Beals, at Woodbridge N. J. August 10, 1930. FIRST woman to drive on a board track in the USA, AAA did not allow women to compete, this was an exibition run. I've always wondered how this fact was overlooked it her biography "Buggati Queen".
     

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  8. 1916 Packard twin-speed race car at New York speedway

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  9. jimdillon
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    That is the Packard 299 OHC V12 racer in primer in 1916 at Sheepshead Bay during its early testing. It is the same car as in my avatar.

    I have researched the car for about 30 years so I can run on at length on the car and put everyone to sleep. If you want to know anything in particular I may be able to answer it.-Jim
     
  10. 1923 Packard race car with 1919 Packard race car, three-quarter rear view

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    1923 Packard race car, view from rear

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  11. I modified my post becose i have this photo for very long time in my computer and then found the photo in the web in the Michigan library.. thanks Jim!!
     
  12. The37Kid
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    I don't know who has most of this car, but I'd sure like to see it restored or a clone made of it. [​IMG]
     
  13. ehdubya
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    The Packard Museum are amassing parts according to Joshua Shaw on page #88 of this thread where he lists what they have.

    Here's a good story on Tommy Lee Automobile Quarterly:Vol-39 #1

    It appears that car was most modified by Frank Griswold's crew, I guess that's him on the right...
     

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  14. T-Head
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    ????
     

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  15. Cris
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    Frank is the big guy in the white t-shirt.

    Cris

     
  16. noboD
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    T, the driver looks WAY out of scale to the car, it it a little kid?
     
  17. T-Head
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    Earl Cooper, possibly at the Salem NH. board track....
     

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  18. T-Head
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    It is a women in it and the car looks like it maybe a light weight racing car that was put on the road??
     
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  19. The Mercedes n º 5 piloted by Cuban Ernesto Carricaburu winner of the first international auto races to reach the goal
    Arroyo Arenas. Santa Coloma picture
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    The second car to enter the goal was the Renault car that handled Tracey. Photo Santa Coloma.
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    A view of the bleachers during Arroyo Arenas
    the race. Photo Santa Coloma.
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    These photographs were taken on February 13, 1905, when the Cuban Ernesto Carricaburu won the first international car race held in Cuba and set a world record by averaging the tremendous speed of 85 kilometers per hour.

    Involved five cars that were driven by three Frenchmen, world champion and veteran Tracy Fletcher and Birk and two Cubans, Ramon G. Carricaburu Mendoza, who first participated in a competition car.

    He had enrolled sixth vehicle, the most powerful, a Mercedes 90 hp owned by billionaire ER Thomas, but at the last minute and had a mechanical failure could not be submitted.

    The distance they had to go was a hundred miles, about 160 kilometers, the stretch of road from the village of Arroyo Arenas, near the capital, to San Cristóbal in Pinar del Rio, and then returned to the starting point I was, in turn, the goal.

    The first machine to come out was a (Renault) driven by the driver Tracey, who won the Paris-Madrid race. It was followed by another favorite, Fletcher, piloting a car (De-Dietrich) 80 hp but a few meters from the start, had to stop to fix a fault that he suddenly appeared and he lost valuable minutes. Birk birk an experienced pilot (Mercedes) came back with a 40 horsepower, and then with another Cuban Carricaburu (Mercedes) but 60 horses, owned by Enrique Conill. I closed the car caravan Ramon G. Mendoza (De-Dietrich) with a power of 35 horses. Thousands of spectators on both sides of the road cheered and admired those fireballs passing at high speed, while photographers from different national and foreign newspapers captured the most important moments.


    One hour, 59 minutes and 53 seconds in Arroyo Arenas, after arriving in San Cristóbal and back, crossed the finish line at high speed the first runner and winner. And, surprise! Was the Cuban Carricaburu accompanied by his mechanic Oscar Martinez, without any experience, had beaten a minute and a half to Tracey, champion of Europe. An enthusiastic crowd was charged to the Cuban president to step where he was greeted by President Estrada Palma. After the joy, excitement, applause, congratulations and cheers, and the glorious line of Bayamo Anthem played by the Band, was made the delivery of the coveted gold cup and silver "Habana", awarded by the City of Havana the new world champion Cuban Carricaburu.
     
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  20. Bluto
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    Genuine face mask from my late friend and 30's Outlaw owner/driver Ace Owens ....... he was a wonderful guy and I really miss him.

    He started on the 'Boards' with a Redding Standard Motorcycle and moved into cars when a car owner say his bravery
     

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  21. Bluto
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    I've been unpacking stuff I've not seen in years. I know these are not photos of racers but instead show the level of interest by normal folks

    I don't have many photos instead prefer to collect objects

    They are desert plates except for the very early sports car that has the geese running it's a full size dinner plate

    If it's OK I'll post more racing and racers objects as I find them in the hundreds of boxes
     

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  22. ebtm3
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    Bluto- they are neat! If someone objects, why not start a memorabilia topic?

    Wish that I could have talked to your board track racer buddy.

    Herb Kephart
     
  23. Max Halstock
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    ratamahata, do you, or does anyone out there have any more photos of or information on the 1903 Paris-Madrid Renault Type Os which ended up in Cuba, or know what happened to them after 1905? We are re-creating one from period Renault parts and the more detail and information we can get, the better and more accurate it will be.
     
  24. Bluto
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    I once had a guy tell me he was 're-creating' a D-type Auto Union.

    "OK" I said people tell me they are doing all kinds of things. He said, "You want to see it?" "OKaaaa" He reaches inside his shirt pocket and pulls out about an two inch long pirece of machinable wax that looked, for the world,
    like an old Heinz 57 pickle pin...... 'See, he says, It's really hard to get the wheels right! This is my third try..........''
     
  25. model.A.keith
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    :eek::eek:.................;);)


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  30. noboD
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    Bluto, if you are unpacking I guess that means she is going to let you stay?
     

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