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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by jimi'shemi291, Aug 20, 2009.

  1. I'm pretty sure it was one of the few Kaisers that was build in the NEKAF (Netherlands Kaiser Factory) and later exported to Sweden and returned at home in Holland.
    From the passenger model Kaisers only a few survived.
    They build the Henry J and the Manhattan (they only called it the Kaiser Rotterdam).
    The Jeep models called NEKAF Jeeps are still plenty in Holland, because they were used by the Dutch army upto the late 80's if i'm correct.
     
  2. jimi'shemi291
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    Hiya, DutchDeuce! It is well known that the love of fast, rare and customized cars is worldwide. So now someone from Holland joins those from Finland, Sweden, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Russia, So. Africa, Australia, Italy, Slovenia, Mexico, et.al. in affirming that. So, WELCOME to this thread!

    I was aware Kaiser nurtured foreign markets for its vehicles, but i had little education on the European market. If i understand correctly, Kaiser simply renamed its Manhattan the "Carabela" for Argentina, and "Rotterdam" for Holland and nearby nations.
     
  3. jimi'shemi291
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    Yow-ee, Jimmy! A 3-window!!! I'd give it a home in a heartbeat, man. What in the world would possess someone to leave it outside, even if the engine were blown? If I'm correct that it's a Ford, only around 500 of the three-windows were sold in '32. WAY COOL! Jack Dempsey had one.

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    Whether this pic was shot in 1939 or 1959, I don't know.
    It has a timeless, classic quality! Dog 429 of West Chester,
    PA, posted it over on the excellent thread, "Sitting and Rotting."
    If you live rusting VT and have never visited that thread, it can
    soak up HOURS of your time!
     
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    Looks like an Oakie's ride broke down!The bones are already pretty picked over.Interesting road it's on,out west New Mexico or Arizona maybe.
     
  6. Just Jones
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    The story behind this deuce is that it was an old rod/race car that was found (thus the picture) and "restored" to original condition and put back on the road. When I say restored, I mean mechanically. The owner left the paint original, and everything else they could.

    The story was in a magazine a few years back . . . whatever that Rat Rod one is called. Can't remember. Cool article though; that one was worth reading.
     
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    Man, ya just have to love well-framed, well-lighted detail
    shots like this. Newer HAMBer mt4ss in Washington state
    posted it (and more) over on the always-GREAT thread,
    "Sitting and Rotting." If you love junkyards with possible
    project cars, it's a good place to spend hours and hours!
     
  8. Jeff J
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    Coming back from Bonneville last year came acroos this old yard 1 Went in town and asked about it and the local said how you get that close with out getting shot at ? Geuss we where luucky
     

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    TazHog, thanks for the post, man. This is about the fourth time I've heard of this place, and the story is basically always the same, so there must be some truth to it. What state is this actually in?

    Having myself had two vehicles stolen (including one with a Ky. State Police 440 pursuit engine in it), I am NOT without a measure of sympathy for the guy who owns the place. BUT, shooting to warn people away (I've had to do that, twice) and actually shooting AT people are two different things (though, I think, some judges might see them as the same thing). If it's taken as common knowledge around there that he shoots at people to run 'em off, he could be playing with fire. He should be careful, 'cause I'd hate to see him on the inside looking out -- through bars -- basically, for trying to defend his property rights.

    But somebody getting shot, or some property owner going to prison, isn't going to do anybody any good, That's not why we're all into old cars & parts.

    There's NO way to guarantee keeping people (especially intentional thieves) off your property. But first, the guy has to realize that all those cars and trucks in plain view are like a MAGNET, for good guys AND bad guys, right? We see cars sitting, and automatically wanna go LOOK up close! But, legal issues aside for a second, he might do well to be PRACTICAL (instead of reaching for the shotgun) and, first, put up a couple of plainly worded signs. If (as it appears) he's CLOSED the yard as a business, how about:

    "Yard CLOSED.
    NOTHIN For Sale.
    Absolutely NO visitors."
    (???)

    On the other hand, if he still wants to sell cars/trucks but hates hassles, maybe he could word the sign(s):

    "ONLY whole vehicles sold,
    NO parting out.
    By APPOINTMENT ONLY.
    Call BR549."

    Yeah, I know old people can be cranky, irrational (and even armed!), but the signs could keep many, not all, unwanted gawkers/etc. away and/or let people know his basic ground rules for dealing any vehicles. I'm just trying to suggest at least a partial, practical solution for situations anything like this.


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    Here's a "sign" (Jasper, Georgia) that makes it obvious that vehicles
    are for sale, and the medium even suggests the owners are friendly.

    Anybody got examples of well-worded ways to say: "KEEP OUT!
    THIS MEANS YOU!" types of signs??? The best sign I've seen in this neck of the woods (not on a junkyard, though) reads:


    "No Hunting,
    No Fishing,
    No Trespassing,
    No Soliciting,
    NO EXCUSES."

    Even a thick-head like me knows I'm not supposed to go in there (though I sure would like to get close enough to get a good pic of the sign. It's a classic!).
     
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    Correct Production figures for the <table align="right" border="0" bordercolor="silver"><tbody><tr><td align="left" valign="top">
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    </td></tr></tbody></table>1932 Ford 3-window which was considered the Deluxe model are 22,148; so there were probably a lot more then 500 sold.

    http://www.roadsters.com/deuce/
     
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    Jim, I meant 3-window coupes, not 5-windows and all the other body styles. The factoid I got of 500 or 550 three-window coupes was from decades ago, so maybe I've labored under a misapprehension for a long time.

    I still like the 3-window better than the 5-window though.
     
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    So far, my quick-search indicated that the sedan delivery body was the loest production Ford in '32, at 406 (six for foreign sale, probably to test thta market). That would seem to hint the 3-window coupes were produced in much higher than merely 500.

    But if I've had the wrong number of 3-windows all along, I'd just like to track down the numbers of THREES and FIVES, so I can get this monkey off my back. Don't remember where I read that, but there's nothing worse than continuing to spread incorrect info. I'm on the hunt for stats now!
     
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    Those were the production figures for the 3 Window Coupe ONLY from the book "The Early Ford V-8 As Henry Built It" Here's the chart;

    Cabriolet ............................. 6,091

    Convertible Sedan ................. 926

    Five Window Standard Coupe .. 51,794

    Fordor Sedan ....................... 37,363

    Panel Delivery ...................... 6,122

    Phaeton .............................. 2,490

    Roadster ............................. 12,597

    Sedan Delivery ..................... 400

    Station Wagon ..................... 1,383

    Sport Coupe ........................ 2,911

    Three Window Deluxe Coupe ... 22,148

    Tudor Sedan ........................ 124,101

    Victoria ............................... 8,580
     
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    Kids these days. LOL All you had to do was click the link I gave you in my original post, scroll down and they were right there. LOL
     
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    As Robin Williams said in "Aladdin,"

    "Well! Don't I feel sheepish!!!" LOL

    Yup I got those figs, too, Jimmy, but by the loooooong route. So, a fallacious factoid dies, folks! THE fact is: Ford for '32 made about 2.4 five-window coupes for each one 3-window coupe. NOT as rare as I thought!

    Well, that's what I love about the HAMB. If you don't know just ASK (or put out wrong info! LOL). SunRoof, THANKS for setting a well-meaning fan straight!
     
  16. Kool66
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    Guys here's another puzzle for you to ponder.All sedan deliveries not panel deliveries started out as tudor sedans.They were converted after the fact.I wonder if they reduced the tudor production numbers by 400.I have a friend here in Detroit who has a friend who wrote a very accurate 1932 Ford book not long ago.I'll see if he agrees with the 22,148 number and ask him about the deliveries numbers.
     
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    Jim-Bo, thanks for the LaSalle post! Every car-lover has a SHORT list of PERSONAL faves, don't they? Your Cord is on my list -- and always has been.


    My uncle actually had a '40 or '41 LaSalle. My mom (who was NOT impressed by automobiles!) stepped into it for a ride with him and went gaga. The LaSalle didn't so much go DEFUNCT as it just got SUBSUMED into the Caddy line -- shame. People have tried to bring it back ever since!

    For my fifty cents, the last LaSalles had THE keenest front-end treatment of most anything going right before the war!!!!!!!
     
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    Anyone else catch the disc brake rotor on the 58 Ranchero in this picture?
     

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    Damn, you're good, Wrench! You even catch the details!
     
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    Thanks...

    Took me three hours to 'refind' this picture in this thread. I wonder what else that old ride has hiding in the way of rodding? Maybe a 427 side oiler? LOL!
     
  22. Since the original post was for photos of old junk yards,I submit this old photo I took in 1968 of what looks like a truck made from a sedan in an abandoned junk yard in southern Mississippi near Keesler AFB.It was about 3 acres of abandoned,rusty cars hidden in undergrowth. It looked like it had not been in business in 20 years or so even back then.Best car there was a 34 Ford sedan but it was pretty rusty also.There was also the remnants of a 1920-30 something aluminum bodied 4 door sedan I thought at the time was a Rolls but I was a kid and didn't have a clue.Stuff was so rusty that I think maybe the place was burned years before.Last time I went down there in the 80s I could no longer find it.
     

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    56Don, thanks for the post, buddy! You are right. When I started, I asked
    a simple question, and I was hoping to turn out pix of junkyards back in the
    '20s and up through when '20s/'30s stuff was still just stuffing old junkyards
    (it was, 'cause I was there).

    Well, we got maybe 50-75 CLASSIC old shots. But the thread quickly branched
    into the '30s to mid-'60s stuff that STILL exists in scrap yards almost every-
    where. I didn't mind, as I was just happy that guys, wives, girlfriends still have
    someplace to get projects and parts (though anything old isn't CHEAP anymore!).

    This thread has been fun for me, BUT it has been illuminating, too! I found out
    several things. I wasn't so crazy, 'cause OTHER people LOVE to roam the ol'
    yards the same way I did -- and still do. And I found that the enthusiasm can
    channel itself into FANTASTIC commentary, sentiment and insight. And I
    found that lots of HAMBers rival the artistic photos you see in museums. Old,
    barely recognizable cars as art? Oh, yeah! And the shoot-from-the-hip cell-phone
    pix are a treat unto themselves! As the saying goes, A PICTURE IS WORTH A
    THOUSAND WORDS!

    So, THANKS for this pic, man! Yeah, these trucks made from parts fascinate a
    lot of HAMBers! Can anybody analyze what went into that "truck"???
     
  24. Jeff J
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    He does have signs that state the yard is closed and parts are not for sale ! We actually went thre the first gate as it was open and got close to his house and saw more signs and left ! Quickly !!!:D The place is in Utah by that sign I posted not to far from that !!
     

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    That guys & gals have viewed this thread 100,000 times
    in just a little over one year shows, I think, how fascinating
    junkyards have always been to those blessed with the car
    bug. I thought I'd try & mark the occasion by scraping
    together the older shots I could find, mostly centering
    specifically on the scrap drives that won wars BUT also
    diminished vintage tin that would be precious to rodders,
    custom folks and restos, too.
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    Gotta love the civilian fighting spirit in evidence in these
    scrap rallies of WWII. Ordinary Americans were called
    upon for effort and sacrifice like never before -- because
    we could not afford to lose THAT war! Good one, SWI.
    One of my favorites is below, previously posted on this thread.

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    Taken in Detroit about 1942, cars on the way to a nearby
    steel mill or foundry. HAMBer CarlS of Indio, CA, posted
    this one on the "Old Time Junkyard Photos" thread. Where
    SWI's pic sets the bombsight on Hitler, the car here in the
    middle targets the Japanese. The sign reads, "NOW MY
    DUTY IS TO LICK THE JAPS."
     
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    LowCat posted these WWII scrap-drive shots on "Vintage
    Shots From Days Gone By."Great thread, if you haven't been
    there! After MUCH spirited discussion, guys came up with the
    actually location and year of this drive, and it was more like
    Korean War era, not WWII !!! Utica, NY, on the Mohawk River,
    1951. Ya gotta love the HAMB!

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    All of the photos in these next three posts consist
    of historical WWII-era scrap-drive photos from the
    state of Oregon. These are maintained in the ar-
    chives of Oregon State University. The war scrap-
    drive point for this thread would be hard to illustrate
    without some great photos. As they say, a photo is
    worth a thousand words. So, these certainly tell
    the story of how the war was won on the home
    front, as well as the battlefield. MANY THANKS, OSU!!!

    <INPUT title='"Scrappo," mechanical scrap metal creation made by the Marion County salvage committee, Salem, Oregon' type=image alt='"Scrappo," mechanical scrap metal creation made by the Marion County salvage committee, Salem, Oregon' src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2860&DMSCALE=76.43312&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=14&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    "Scrappo," mechanical scrap-metal mascot made by the
    Marion County Salvage Committee, Salem, OR. Note that
    Scrappo also holds a bucket symbolizing collection of home
    cooking fat to make explosives for bombs, grenades, car-
    tridges and cannon shells.

    <INPUT title="Loading automotive junk for salvage shipment in Klamath Falls, Oregon" type=image alt="Loading automotive junk for salvage shipment in Klamath Falls, Oregon" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2845&DMSCALE=75.18797&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=6&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Loading automotive junk for salvage shipment in Klamath
    Falls, Oregon. Undoubtedly, those vintage cars became part
    of battleships, cannon barrels, tanks and M1 carbines!



    <INPUT title="Central salvage depot for Klamath County, established at 6th and Commercial Streets" type=image alt="Central salvage depot for Klamath County, established at 6th and Commercial Streets" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2847&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=1&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Central salvage depot for Klamath County, 6th and Commercial streets
    <INPUT title="Hoist on truck used for loading scrap" type=image alt="Hoist on truck used for loading scrap" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2846&DMSCALE=75.18797&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=3&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Truck hoist loads rail car for the trip to the mill!
    <INPUT title="Union County, Oregon, collected and prepared for shipment 1006 tons of scrap metal between June 1, 1942 and November 15, 1942" type=image alt="Union County, Oregon, collected and prepared for shipment 1006 tons of scrap metal between June 1, 1942 and November 15, 1942" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2849&DMSCALE=75.18797&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=16&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Union County, OR, collected and shipped 1006 tons of scrap metal from June to
    November, 1942. That's one county and in only six months! How many tanks
    would 100,000 TONS of steel build???
     
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    <INPUT title="WPA truck and crew loading scrap at Toledo scrap pile" type=image alt="WPA truck and crew loading scrap at Toledo scrap pile" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2859&DMSCALE=75.18797&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=18&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Works Progress Administration workers loading scrap at a Toledo, OR, depot

    <INPUT title="Jake Sonner of the Salvage Committee unloading scrap metal, Salem, Oregon?" type=image alt="Jake Sonner of the Salvage Committee unloading scrap metal, Salem, Oregon?" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2861&DMSCALE=75.18797&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=4&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Jake Sonner and other volunteers of the Salem, OR, Salvage
    Committee unloading an antiquated piece of farm equipment
    for their drive. Looks like the tongue is broken, so I can't tell
    if it had been horse- or tractor-drawn, nor exactly what it is
    -- a sort of harrow, maybe???

    <INPUT title="Lewis & Clark scrap pile in Clatsop County, Oregon" type=image alt="Lewis & Clark scrap pile in Clatsop County, Oregon" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2862&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=5&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Junior lends a hand with this load, Clatsop County, OR.

    <INPUT title="Scrap metal collection day in Corvallis, Oregon" type=image alt="Scrap metal collection day in Corvallis, Oregon" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2855&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=12&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Scrap metal collection day in Corvallis, OR

    <INPUT title="Scrap gathered in the official salvage scrap pile, Klamath Falls, Oregon" type=image alt="Scrap gathered in the official salvage scrap pile, Klamath Falls, Oregon" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2848&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=10&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    The official Klamath Falls, OR, scrap depot


     
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    <INPUT title="Pine Grove scrap collection" type=image alt="Pine Grove scrap collection" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2857&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=9&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Scrap collection day at Pine Grove, OR

    <INPUT title="Shipment of silk and nylon hosiery by the Baker County Salvage Committee" type=image alt="Shipment of silk and nylon hosiery by the Baker County Salvage Committee" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2854&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=15&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Scrap drives didn't stop at steel, either. Millions of women sacrificed
    silk items for making parachutes and other war materials. My mom

    remembers wearing regular socks, never nylon or silk hose, all during
    the war years. Above, the Baker Co., OR, Salvage Committee displays
    collected hosiery before it is shipped off.

    <INPUT title="Vic Johnson, County Agent, collecting scrap aluminum for the war effort, Lake County, Oregon" type=image alt="Vic Johnson, County Agent, collecting scrap aluminum for the war effort, Lake County, Oregon" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2851&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=17&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    Here, Lake Co., OR, County Agent Vic Johnson collecting aluminum for the war effort.

    <INPUT title="Scrap rubber drive in Union County netted 150 tons" type=image alt="Scrap rubber drive in Union County netted 150 tons" src="http://oregondigital.org/cgi-bin/getimage.exe?CISOROOT=/archives&CISOPTR=2850&DMSCALE=75.09387&DMWIDTH=600&DMHEIGHT=600&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=%20scrap%20drive&REC=13&DMTHUMB=1&DMROTATE=0" border=0>

    And, of course, the war effort required rubber! Shown here is part of the
    150 tons of rubber tires collected by Union Co., OR, alone in '42. Rationing
    meant that guys had to patch inner tubes many times, until tire and tube
    wore out completely. Then it was onto the scrap pile for the war. Anybody
    remember those old "live-rubber" RED inner tubes???
     
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    Man are there dudes here old enuf to remember that far back?
     

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