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Sept 2010 Banger Meet

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Crazydaddyo, Sep 1, 2010.

  1. RichFox
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    I also have Cunningham rods in the Dodge Bros. Had Crower's rods in the Plymouth and GMC. Hard to say but I think I liked the Crowers better. Don't know why. Just hate change I guess. Pictured Cunningham rod and Aries Piston for Dodge Bros.
     

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  2. MedicCustoms
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    hey guys what temp dose a 1931 ford banger motor run ( normal op. temp ) thanks I was driveing mine to day and it got up to 210 on temp gauge. this is my first banger thanks for the help
     
  3. you can get header flanges from hot rod ch***is and cycle for $45 i thinkcheck the alliance vender sectiontk
     
  4. ironfly28
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    from Orange, CA

    Cool thanks! I can't wait.
     
  5. Bluto
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    Rich

    Is that a coffee cup holder in the mill table? :D

    I use my mill about 10% of the lathe..... so a cup holder would work for me
     
  6. BCCHOPIT
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    I can wash your coffee cup for you Bluto :D:D:D:D
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  7. LOL- I'm hoping to be nominated as "Official Shop Sweep" :D
     
  8. Bluto
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    Even I know to get the coffee cup out if the way......


    'Would you like chips with that son???"

    The TV blew up Monday
     
  9. RichFox
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    I don't drink much coffee. It could be used for a more adult beverage
     
  10. ebtm3
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    Boneyard-

    Most times A engines run too cool- if everything is right. Is your spark timing set correctly? A retarded spark setting will cause overheating.

    Disconnect the lower hose at the radiator, and put your hand on the rad. outlet. Now fill the rad. with water. Pull your hand away, and all water should gush out in three seconds or less. Longer- the rad. is clogged up. Look closely at your radiator, and try to see how many rows of tubes it has (front to back). There are, and have been some rads. made with only two rows of tubes (to sell for a lower price) and they are pretty much worthless unless you live in the frozen North. Is the temperature gauge reading correctly? An A in good tune and condition should not boil, even on a hot day when idling.

    Herb Kephart

    Note to Rich--put some noodles in that soup for Bluto-
     
  11. Lets go back to the beginning, did you fill the radiator? Have you adjusted the fan belt? If, when you filled the radiator, did any water/coolant run out on to the floor or the ground? After you filled the radiator did you start the engine and look into it to see if there were a lot of bubbles or foam? As asked earlier, is your timing correct? Do you see any water in the engine oil? If the answers are yes, yes, no, yes and no, yes, and no, I would suggest a compression check to determine if you have a blown head gasket . If you do a compression check look for moisture or rust on the spark plugs as you remove them. If you get uneven compression retorque the head. If none of this helps it must be something else!
     
  12. junk yard kid
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    hey guys, quick one, whats the difference between a A and an AA bellhousing?
     
  13. ebtm3
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    The AA bell housing is about 2"shorter, and has a much larger flat face where the transmission bolts on. Both use the same flywheel housing.

    Herb Kephart
     
  14. noboD
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    One A?
     
  15. AA trans has different bolt pattern no pedal mount. Bell housing is good for trans conversions as it is shorter. Any way, I think the bolt pattern is different.
     
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  16. NORSON
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    Rich Fox
    Is there a site to ID Dodge, Crysler,Plymoth banger engines by serial number or casting number. Ive got a line on one. What should I be looking for.
    Thanks Norm
     
  17. RichFox
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    It depends on what you want. The Dodge Bros. is a completely different engine from the Chrysler/Plymouth. So if you want the 5 main Dodge it becomes a question of, do you want a flathead or are you thinking of converting to OHV? If your sticking with a flathead you want the 1928 "Fast Four." Easy to spot with a normal intake-exhaust layout for a banger. And the distributer through the head as on a Ford. If you want to convert to OHV you want the '26 to early 28 Dodge Bros. which has only one intake port on the opposite side from the exhaust. And an offset drive housing with the distributer, water pump, generator and fan belt......If your thinking Plymouth/Chrysler the only one with counterweighted crank and modern thin shell insert bearings is the 1928 PB which is clearly marked PB on the upper block on a pad with the serial number. Any PA or other will have old bronze backed poured bearings and no counter weights.
     
  18. junk yard kid
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    thanks guys, i dont have one on my AA, in case you were wondering
     
  19. Flywheel lightening,

    If you are interested in just how light you can go on your "A" "B" flywheel go to the Ford barn "A" forum and scroll down to"Lighten flywheel" and take a look!
     
  20. Bluto
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    I've used a flex plate with a tiny B&B muti disc clutch pack an run a 302 Chevy thru it....:D
     
  21. Hi guys, I think I'm gonna wimp out on the header and go with a new cast manifold...

    New question... what about Mallory dual points?

    I have one... good old used condition...

    but it only has mechanical advance.

    Do they work worth a ****?

    Sam
     
  22. Bluto
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    Mallory

    I've used one for years but with Petronix inside

    The old parts are getting hard to get

    Mallory "electronic" have had problems for all the years they were made. If you find a good one your lucky

    I had a very old Mallory with an arm out the side to advance and retard timing ..... It was really good but the car wore out and that was that. This was pre "three piece cap"

    So which one do you have?
     
  23. RussTee
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    Sam they did work but nowdays they have been updated by more modern electronic and HEI systems I recon this is the way to go but at the same time update your plug wires to suit the system you adopt so many times i hear of problems where a system has been updated but not the plug leads. There are 5 main types of plug leads NOS cloth-wrapped copper solid core. 60s era carbon core.cloth-covered spiral-wound. cloth-wrapped[insulated stainless] solid-core. and reproduction silicone -housed solid core. chose a lead to suit your system
     
  24. SixFive
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    Good news.

    Got the wiring sorted, got fuel into it and after sorting out some major timing issues the banger fired into life for the first time since 1952.

    Thanks everybody for the advice.
     
  25. ebtm3
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    I quit posting and looking at another Ford forum because I got tired of reading that posters comments.Said that the maximum spark advance for a Miller OHV was 30 degrees, where as that is no where near enough for a non turbulent chamber. Quasi-expert --IMHO

    Herb Kephart
     
  26. Bluto
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    Herb

    Please remember that for some being an 'Expert' is easy. Having the experiance that's hard to do.......
     
  27. Awesome, good job Sixfive to hear another one is up and running especially with such a long time it was asleep :rolleyes:.-Weeks

     
  28. I don't know anything! But everyone seems to know alot about my car its engine and everything else model A when I am out and about :D:D;);). Ford barn is a wealth of knowledge and fallacies just like the Hamb. I have found ya gotta re-check all the facts before you apply them though.-Weeks

     
  29. NORSON
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    Bluto
    I found that in my work life too. I found that when I did the research my results often disproved the commonly accepted beliefs.
     
  30. MedicCustoms
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    This is way I don't ask question theres always a smart ***.... Look in my album at the pics its a new motor and this is not my first motor just my first banger and with help like this it will be my last...,....
     

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