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Features Ayala-Barris Jack Stewart 1941 Ford RESTORATION has started.

Discussion in 'Traditional Customs' started by Rikster, Aug 31, 2010.

  1. hvychvy
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    Thanks for the updates,can't wait for more!!
     
  2. SuperFleye
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    That is good to hear palle! It sounds like you will treat this old gal with the respect she deserves :)
     
  3. devilscustom
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    Really good thread one of the best ,so any chance you can take some pics under the car ?
     
  4. emiliedk
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    devilscustom...next week i hope i can show you everything!
    but heres some of the early work done in Jack's driveway! and it shows the channeling over the frame!
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    -palle
     
  5. tinguy
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    Hi Palle, I like to see some photos of the area below back window, braces to trunk hinges, drip rail flange between quarter window and trunk opening. Looks like they cut out all or part of the bulkhead to the back window flange and never replaced it when they finished it. When I see that I will get back to you. I cannot tell you much until I see what you are working with. I would not go putting a lot of heavy iron in there. That can be done with sheet metal just like the factory. That is the way we do them. You will have to decide how you want to do it. You should be glad that I do not live nearby because I would probably move into your garage. I am really interested in your project. Good luck and carry on!!! tinguy
     
  6. emiliedk
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    ha ha Paul! you are more than welcome...i have a room ready for you! every one could need a little vacation!
    i will get back with some pictures today or tomorrow! thanks!
    -palle
     
  7. 39Truck
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    Wow this is a fantastic car very fun to see this come to Denmark.
    Looks to have come in good hands.Thanks for charing pictures and storys.
    I look forward to see this car some day. Very Nice .Thanks
     
  8. banditomerc
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    Hey Palle,I am sure you will have plenty of surprises as to the construction of this custom,can't wait to see it with the frame off! As far as the hood,i believe that it was sectioned by the Ayalas..right?Keep it coming.
     
  9. koolkemp
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    Wow that would be so cool if you could get Paul over there to work some of his magic on the ol girl !! Nice dream anyways eh Palle!! Looking forward to the next round of pics I have to check everyday
     
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  10. 58 Delpala
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    Palle, I would like to add a suggestion before its too late. Do not remove the body until you have that inner structure strong enough. If you take the body off now it will flex too much and could cause more damage then you could fix. I base that on the lack of structure in the body and the way it was channeled. Please please either add the correct reinforcements or atleast weld in some cross braces before its too late. I talk from experience.
     
  11. Rikster
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    The hood was constructed from pre-formed metal shaped by California Metal Shaping company. And the design was based on the then new 1949 Ford models. But all the finishing work on it was performed by Al Ayala. But technically we cant really talk about sectioning here.
     
  12. tinguy
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    Hi Palle, 58 Delpala makes a valid point. Conservative approach would be to brace before pulling body. Body has been off the with no ill effects before so it maybe o'k'. Much depends on how the removal of the body is handled. Having not seen the complete picture on lack of reinforcement I think that I would be cautious and wait until you properly ***ess the situation. I don't believe it would hurt but why make your self extra work. I contacted Rik yesterday with some information and am waiting to hear back from you guys. I do have alot of photos of how mine is done but I need the information I outlined to Rik. I will send you my opinion. carry on tinguy
     
  13. Rikster
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    Palle will get back to you as soon as he can. He will take all the photos you requested most likely tomorrow. Many thanks for your help.
     
  14. devilscustom
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  15. 1955fairlane
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    Love that you corrected it being called a "Barris Custom" and giving credit to the Ayala brothers. They seem to be forgotten just because they weren't about the lime light of building these cars as Barris was.

    Can't wait to see this finished! :D
     
  16. pimpin paint
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    Hey Palle,

    I don't think time spent cutting and welding in bracing PRIOR to removal of the body from the frame is wasted time! Keep in mind, when these were built at the factory, they were held into alignment by large steel arms just prior to being mated to the frame. Having to spend hours and hours with a tape measure and a 10 ton Porta-Power or pulling post it realign a body that wasn't braced prior to removal ain't no pick nick!

    " Meanwhyle, back onboard The Tainted Pork"
     
  17. emiliedk
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    thanks for all your input...
    no we didnt waste time this weekend!
    the engine is out...and the inside of the body is ready for dry ice blasting!
    most likely it will happen monday!
    and about the missing inner steel structure. we are working on it, and the body will stay in the frame until its done!
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    so Dan!! what are we gonna do this weekend??
    i know...let put this one in my roadster! i know it will run like a ****d monkey!! ready!?
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    -palle
     
  18. koolkemp
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    Palle would it be possible for you to post some close-up pics of the body line just below the window bottoms , I like the way it was filled (leaded) and am considering a similar treatment for mine . Also it looks like the inner front fenders are molded to the fender itself , is that what I am seeing ? Great progress so far you lucky man !! ( Yes I am envious !)
     
  19. Rikster
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    Not sure what you see on the inner fenders and front fenders. But perhaps you see the new fender/hood line that was created to mate the much wider custom hood to the fenders. The original 1941 Hood was just slightly wider than the engine bay. The new hood sits actually on the fenders, and a new small lip was created to make the fit from hood to fender better. The black rubber tape prevents the hood from hitting the fender.

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    Here are some Filled belt line shots I made when the car was in Amsterdam

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  20. koolkemp
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    Thanks Rik ! Its the second pic in Palle's last post (107) I can see it now in the first pic you just posted... I really love the smoothed out body line , what ya think Rik is mine worthy of the same treatment!?!
     
  21. pimpin paint
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    Hey Palle,

    I'da had a tough time pulling that kustom apart without puttin, oh, bout 100k on the odometor!

    I'd thought the ''fade-a-way'' panels built by Ayala for the doors were from a '42 Buick with metal added. Now that i see a close up shot, they look to be formed from one piece of sheet. If you ever pull the doors, any chance of getting a good photo of the door construction from the side and below?

    Thanx,

    " Life ain't no Disney movie "
     
  22. Rikster
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    Yesterday I was looking for something not subject related in the Trend Book 101 Custom Cars from 1951... Flipping pages and looking at the photos I had looked at hundreds of times. And all of the sudden I look the top photo on page 43 and realize that I'm looking at an early interior photo of the Jack Stewart 1941 Ford.
    This book has many more fantastic photos of Jacks Ford, in progress and in primer at the Ayala shop, and a rarely seen view of the rear bumper.
    But all this time I had not realized this interior photo was the Jack Stewart Ford.

    I think I have been so much involved in this car from the moment it arrived in Amsterdam that I now have a bond with it. And when I flipped the pages I noticed the angle of the steering column, and then the seat pattern. Most likely what has always confused me was the dark carpeting. I was so used to the fuzzy carpeting from the February 1954 Motor Life article.

    So now we have to find out what kind of material was used for it.. and what kind of floor mats/rugs the cross hatch unites where?

    The top photo is taken when Jack had just finished the car in 1950-51. And shows a dark carpeting and two sort of cross hatch rugs on the floor. Also the bottom of the front seat is covered in this dark colored carpeting material. Palle will call Jack to ask about the color/material etc.

    And what is also noteworthy is the lack of interior door handles/window cranks.
    The window crank on the car and in the 1954 photo always looked like an after thought... well now we know it is an afterthought... But perhaps the crank is just hidden behind the steering column. Hopefully Jack can tell us more about this.
    Another thing I noticed is the stock location of the stock gas pedal. The car now has a very simple T shaped rod gas pedal nearly on top of the drive shaft tunnel. Very odd. Most likely modified when the new engine was put in by Bob Drake?
    It also looks like the shift knob on the car now might be the original hand made unit.... All in all... very exciting to find this photo.

    The Custom Car 101 Trend book photo

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    And this is the only interior photo we had so far... from the time Jim Street owned it 1954 Motor Life

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  23. emiliedk
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    Rik! your a rockstar! i hated the floor carpet..and had a hard time getting used to the thought, that i had to drive a car with stuff like that!
    i will call Jack and have a chat with him soon! we better go over and talk to him in person right!!?
    but as promised, the car had some more progress today!
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    no its not on fire! all the black tar needed to go..and i think the only way, beside by hand, is to dryice blast!
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    when i saw what came out..i was happy that it got of! its not the best tinwork i have seen ha ha. but this work is done in a driveway, using a torch, and a hammer!
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    the easiest way to check the rearend!
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    the tar in the trunk area was very thick..and the area took around 5 hours to clean!
    the rest should be much easier.
    we are planning to give it a light blast with LAVA!? at least thats the word over here!
    its like gl***blasting...and it will take the remaining rust! finnished in a couple of days!
    cant wait to start!
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    -palle
     
  24. SuperFleye
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    Man you sure are on a roll palle! Trying to get it done for the GNRS maybe? ...hehe
     
  25. emiliedk
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    if they need a working stand..I am ready! wanna help!?
    btw..when are you coming down!?
    -palle
     
  26. SuperFleye
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    Haha... that would have been really cool! I'm going over anyway so of course I would have helped :) I guess I can't wait too long before I stop by, or else you'll be done with the restoration. It would have been nice to see the car in bare metal, so I'll let you know when I have found some time.
     
  27. S.F.
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    That is amazing to see how they stabalized the top with those rods...Very cool to see whats under the paint and carpet
     
  28. brad2v
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    Thanks guys for keeping us up to date on this. Funny, I was just reading (last night) an article in an early '74 Rod Action about this car's discovery and restoration (Bob Drake's).
     
  29. koolkemp
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    Wow these pics are so cool...its like looking back in time to see how they did things so long ago ...imagine how long all that gas welding took! Having seen the car in print since I was a kid its wild to see it getting naked :D . Kinda makes me feel like I am there ...thanks again for the pics Palle keep em coming!!
     
  30. HomemadeHardtop57
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    I love seeing the old metal work...regardless of how it looks...that's a history lesson right there
     

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