History We ALL Love a DARE! PIX of TRULY Extinct Makes?

Most motor vehicle models from developing economies are licensed or copied from motor vehicles out of more prosperous economies.

The Chrysler/DeSoto Airstream was closely related to Toyota and Volvo




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BTW: early Datsun/Nissan 4x4, like those promoted in the US by Roy Rogers, used 6 cylinder motors copied from WW2 British Austin trucks.

If your looking for a replacement motor for your Chev. "Blue Flame" 6 cylinder, have a look at the Toyota 4x4 6 cylinder.

Next step, early Korean Hyundai's used Japanese Mitsubishi mecanicals.

The Chinese "Great Wall" Utes, now for sale in Australia, look like Isuzu Utes.

 

If your looking for a replacement motor for your Chev. "Blue Flame" 6 cylinder, have a look at the Toyota 4x4 6 cylinder.

Sorry mate dont think it works. Looks the same, dont think anything is interchangable , certainly not internaly and the motor is too tall. Bore and stroke is designed for REALLY low done torque.
But .. I bin wrong before.
Rod

 

I found one and bought it. I am the 3rd owner of a 50,000 mile car.

1933 Continental/DeVaux Flyer.

 

will finish reading this thread tomorrow, any mention of the Allen, built by E.W. Allen in Fostoria Ohio? Does anyone know where one might be? (Museum or such)
My intersest comes from the fact my wifes grandfather bought the Allen house and turned it into a Funeral Home, and yes its still there and still a funeral home and still in the family, the 2nd floor is an apartment, took me a while to get used to sleeping in a funeral home LOL
This thread is great fun

 

Hotdam, Barry! Suicide doors and all! You found the Real McCoy you looked for for ... how long??? Wow! Where did you find it? So, I assume this is the ONLY known '33 Continental/DeVaux known to have survived??? Again, CONGRATS!!! When you have time, could we see some more pix from various angles?

 

RowdyOne, welcome to the thread. GREAT story! According to HJManiac's Post #1938, the Allen was produced in 1913, but we'll have to dig a bit to find out more about it -- AND if any still survive OR are extinct. You may find more info at the link HJ posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._based_in_Ohio

Pages in category "Motor vehicle manufacturers based in Ohio"

 

Now, this is going to be interesting! A quick check of Wiki finds that, YES, Allen autos were made in Fostoria, Ohio, for quite some time -- all the way from 1913 in the brass-lamp era through 1921! The recession at the time may have helped depress sales and hastened the company's '21 bankruptcy. Though in business for nearly a decade, Allen only turned out a total of about 20,000 cars -- not too shabby, really. Doubtless, few if any exist today.

Allen sported a reliable Sommers four-cylinder and, in 1915, they bought the Sommers company. In the final few years, Allens were known as finer cars with handsome coachwork. (The 1920 Allen Model 43 is singled out by Wiki.) During bankruptcy, John North Willys acquired the remnants of the Allen company.


1916 Allen touring, thanks to the WikiMedia Commons project!
This is from an ad apparently run in McClure's Magazine (1893-
1929), the publication credited with founding muckraking journ-
alism! They focused government attention on doings of United
States Steel and Rockefeller's Standard Oil Co. Politics and lit-
erature were the stock in trade, with McClure's featuring such
names as Kipling, London, Cather, Doyle and Twain. Wowza!
The Allen above sorta looks like a Climber to me.

 

Now, if Allen turned out some 20,000 cars, that might help assure that a few still exist today. We'll see. BUT, the OTHER Allen, made in Philadelphia in 1913-1914, may be a different story! It was a two-cylinder-powered machine. One might expect that the odds of survival here are much slimmer than for the Fostoria Allen cars.




Look how closely this 1916 Alter resembles the '16 Fostoria, OH,
Allen. I've heard a lot of people say that the majority of cars at
the time looked alike. Well . . . seeing is believing, eh?



1916 Allen

 

I've been looking for a Roadster for 5 years. None seem to exist.

Others 2-dor and 4 door sedans have survived, but the few others I've seen have been restored. Showing this as a survivor should be fun. It's already been invited to two Concours, as is.

I'll take detailed pictures when I get it.

 

Restored Allen Model 43, THANKS to American-Automobiles.com!




The Allen was also produced in Columbus and Bucyrus, Ohio.


According to American-Automobiles.com, Allen had multiple models as late as 1922. Brothers E.W. and W.O. Allen apparently started the company in 1913 and issued their first models for 1914. That's after they acquired the former Peabody Buggy Company of Fostoria. The 221-CID L-head four-banger used was by the Sommer company

 

Great work Jimi, I had seen those before. One year wife and I went to State fair in Columbus and they had an exhibit for EW Allen, mostly the stuff on that same web site. Would one day like to run across one in a museum somewhere. Which of us dont look for car museums or museums with cars when go to somewhere new LOL If anyone knows where one is, give me a shout please

 

Couple of the pics I took a Warps Pioneer museum in Sidney Nebraska few years ago. The poster is really cool. Anyone traveling I 80 in Western Neb, should stop by, well worth it. No rods but buildings full of old cars and other stuff too.

 

ok where did the pics go LMAO

 

hope I got it this time LOL

 

Allen car -



From: http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2009/09/allen-car-co-lasted-8-years.html

and a bit here:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=e w allen cars&f=false

http://books.google.com.au/books?id...rs&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q=e w allen cars&f=false

 

Allen car -

Newspaper Article (free one - others may be available, but are pay-per-view)

The Pittsburgh Press - 13 June 1920:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=5924,4398715&dq=allen+motor+ohio&hl=en

 

Allen car -

Change to different search

The Millwaukee Sentinal - 13 June 1916:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=6861,3240692&dq=allen+motor+cars&hl=en

The Pittsburgh Press (again) - 18 March 1917:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=5038,1206562&dq=allen+motor+cars&hl=en

New York Times - Car Show - 3 January 1915:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F70B12F73E5B17738DDDAA0894D9405B858DF1D3

and NY Times - 7 January 1917:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F30C1FF93D5E11738DDDAE0894D9405B878DF1D3


and NY Times - 28 November 1920:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F30A1EFB3D5D14738DDDA10A94D9415B808EF1D3

 

Stout Scarab...

Check this -

San Jose News - 16 November 1935:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...MFAAAAIBAJ&pg=843,4409881&dq=scarab+car&hl=en

Ottawa Citizen - 4 February 1936 (last paragraph of article)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...FAAAAIBAJ&pg=3032,2346570&dq=scarab+car&hl=en

The Owosso Argus - 1 May 1946:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...GAAAAIBAJ&pg=2808,1847667&dq=scarab+car&hl=en

The Spokesman Review - 2 December 1937 (the mystery auto that boys like. Get one at Toyland for $1)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3143,578818&dq=scarab+car&hl=en

Again there are pther articles, but many are pay-per-views.

 

Decent photo of a 1916 Allen touring, THANKS
to Royal Feltner of Amesbury,Mass.!

 

SWI posted a photo of the Buffalo, NY, kids' car, the BrownieKar back around Post #813, i think, but here's a nice 1909 ad illustration from Royal Feltner's site, and for which I owe since thanks to him.

 

And another keen period ad for a kids' make that, to the best of my checking, has not been mentioned nor shown on this thread before. Thanks again, Royal!


1917 American Junior
And another keen period ad for a kids'

 

To me, the Centaur is more significant for its imposing name than any other attirbute. SWI found a drawing of one before and posted it. Obviously chain-drive, though I don't think of this as a "cycle" car.

Today, I ran across an old mag ad on Royal Feltner's great site (THANKS again, Royal!) which lends a tad more info than we had before (basically we only knew that it was done in Buffalo in 1902-3!).

Now, it turns out to be an ELECTRIC! Royal says this 1903 ad is the only visual -- or info reference, for that matter! -- he's ever found! And pretty costly for a motorized buckboard, eh? Wouldn't $850 back then have bought you a NICE Stanhope???

 

Here's another site I found with lots of info on the Allen along with a list of known survivors. About 4 pages worth.

grantmotor.110mb.com/allen1.html

 

Hey, Jim! An actual, reliable LIST of survivors??? WOW! I can't wait to look it over. What a GREAT resource for anybody who's ever wondered if any of a particular make or year were still in existence. THANKS, buddy!

 

Here is a barn find 1949 Playboy at Hershey. Note the mechanical hardtop. There were 10 guys hanging over this thing every time I walked by it. I really liked it and took a ton of crap from my friends. Asking price was 17k. It was still for sale on Friday afternoon so I think the price was scaring everybody off.

Here is a good link with details on known Playboys.

 

Jim, you were surely right! I just spend three hours
on that site and didn't even scratch the surface!
THANKS, and I hope others go check it out. Great site.

1902 Prescott steam




1928 Cantrell suburban bodies, Huntington, NY

 

AJ, that's keen! We all love a barn find ... but $17 grand? Whoa!
I hope SWI sees this today, as I think it was a Buffalo-made car.
Mostly, it was a pretty conventional car, and the selling points were
the snappy but economical Continental four-banger (Tom McCahill
actually said the acceleration was "like the snap of a rubber band"!)
AND that retractable hardtop. It predated Ford's by a decade, but
it was raised and lowered by hand. From all I read, the backers
were well-intentioned but under-capitalized; when they couldn't
keep unit cost down, they were doomed like so many other inde-
pendents, especially start-ups.

The bit of TRIVIA that this car is MOST famous for is that Playboy
magazine was named after if, via "unique" circumstances!!!

 

Auburn-Fuller built 2 or 3 bodies in the early 1930s. Two were special built for E.L. Cord. Here is a picture of an L29 Cord with Coupe body. This car still exists and is for sale in Canada.

 

heres a Cord L-29 Coupe by Hays, not the same, see changes at the doortops...... but for shure very rare. This car was found in a NewZeeland picturegallery.

 

This L29 Cord is referred to as the Saknoffsky Coupe as it was designed by Count Alexis de Saknoffsky. The body builder was by Hayes. It is the only L29 Cord ever built with this body and is a very interesting car.