Just bought a 77 9" rear end for the T, WFG-B 7DA 2L50 9 587A number's on tag. 28 spline, 5on 4.5 bolt pattern, ring gear pinion ratio is2.5:1....Housing width is 58" M/S to M/S has disc brake's on it. Would you run the disc brake's or buy new drum brake's. this is the old style large bearing. the bracket that hold's the caliper also hold's the axle to the housing. can anyone see a problem running the disc brake's , or should i get drum brake's for it. I am not sure what size caliper's this rear would take. no rotors or caliper's when i bought.......thank's .....PINCHER
dunno what a Granuada is,but a Ford Granada never had a 9". Lincoln Versailles had a 9" with disc though.
Yep,sounds like you have a versaille rearend. Nice narrow 9".Only problem with the rear discs is they are ugly and stick out like a sore thumb on an open wheel car.Also have to watch frame rail clearance.Sometimes the caliper will collide with the frame rail.
Seems to be diff hour for me. I had a Versailles (ver-sigh) diff on my 37. It was costly to rebuild and kinda peculiar to adjust. If you don't have the cheat sheet on that, you will be lost. I think you'd be better off with either new drums or more modern new discs, IMHO. Gary
Yeah .........it's Versailles rear end......the disc brake parts are quite expensive I believe, so rebuilding them may cause 'sticker shock'.....check it out at NAPA or equivalent. Ray
2L50 is the ratio and the L means it has a Traction-Loc Posi...if I'm not mistaken! Congrats! I thought that rearend had an odd axle bolt pattern or something and that the Caliper brackets WON'T transfer to a regular 9"...which means that the regular 9" drum backing plates won't simply bolt to YOUR housing. Could be wrong on that...but find out for sure before you commit yourself to the changeover and start buying parts.
If you don"t have the calipers or rotors you're going to find these expesive to buy and hard to find. You will need some unique attachment parts as well. As far as performance I can speak to that, I have this axle and discs on my 37 slant back and they work great but not any better than other disk brakes.
-It may be different in Canada but you could get a 9 inch in a 75-80 granada. Thats whats in my Merc.
I'm pretty sure you are rght,L signifies trac-loc.Sure is a tall ratio.Most 9" rears I've found are 2.75 or 3.00:1
I run one under my car with the stock brakes. It's around $500 if I remember correctly for all new brakes for it. The brakes are big and heavy, and yes, they probably would stick out like a sore thumb on an open wheel car. One downside I noticed about them is the housing is not real heavy and on a serious performance car, bracing might be a good idea. But I haven't had any trouble with mine and it works great. On the upside, I have those on the back and 67 volvo brakes on the front and my car will stop on a dime. Plus it is a big bearing rear (bonus)
I've seen Ford Granada"s with the same rearend as the Lincoln Versailies, in fact the one under my 29 Chev came from one. Very pricey for calipers and rotors, if it doesnt come with them. You also need to build a lever setup to multiply the travel of the cable, to adapt the park brake.
Sorry about the spelling.after i posted the thread i asked my wife how to spell granada. Getting back to the rear, could i cut the flange's off and replace with smaller bearing flange's. and buy or get some axle's splined. using backing plate's from another 9"..Just a thought.....PINCHER
Get on your computer. Put in Ford 9in rear end. Go down to an article placed buy Ultra stang. This will help you. Ive heard that its difficult to get the brakes working properly. The parts for this particular rear end are more expensive. The Versaille was a glorified granada or monarch produced for lincoln.
If you are going to go through that kind of work, you should just get a different rearend. If you are really picky about the traditional aspect and want a small bearing drum rear. A 57 ranchero is the one you want, it is the same width as your Granada. (there are others that are the same as a ranchero, I just don't remember off-hand which ones)
Like everyone else said check your prices on the missing parts. I have one in my 41 and think I would have been better off having a truck rear done even though I had zero money into this rear when I started. I have that and granada rotors on the front and it does stop very quick. Another thing is if you are planning to install longer wheel studs you have to press the bearing off first. With the bearing on the studs will not clear it to fit in the axle, don't ask me how I know.
When i did a search on I.D rear 9" the number's WFG-B 7DA 2L 50 9 587A the number's matched to a granada/Monarch . I have pulled the center section and it IS a POSI. And the MS to MS is 58 " What would be my best way around this........PINCHER
9 inch with disc or drum could be had in the Granada My grandfather had a black 2 door with 351 w auto and disc brake 9 I had a 9 with drums I pulled from a Granada. BTW Versailles are basically Granadas
I couldn't even find the same size knurl in a longer stud to fit this rear either, it's odd. I was just going to get the next size bigger and drill the axle stud holes bigger to accept the bigger stud. That was my plan until I found out the bearing problem, now I either have to buy new bearings again and do the job or keep avoiding the tech guy...lol
Yep, a Granada or Monarch with a 351 in it would have a 9" rear end, some of them had drum brakes. The drum brake rear ends ALL had small bearings on them. The disc brake Versailles, Granada and Monarch rears have expensive parts, and do not stop any better than drums. I have converted alot of them to drums.
Drive Em i have read a lot of you thread's and post's on here to me you know what you are talking about and know you'r stuff when it come's to rear end stuff. What is the best way around this problem. Or just go out and buy another rear end........PINCHER
Yes...I've read or heard that it might not be easy...but I'm certainly hoping that I heard/read/dreamed wrong!!!
Doe's anyone know what would be the best way to put DRUM brake's on this rear end? I plan on trying to put this rear in my T and i agree that disc brake's would look like S..T on it. Plan on DRUM BRAKE'S. Any know what's the best way? OPEN TO ALL SUGGESTIONS.....PINCHER
The Versailles disc brake 9" uses a big bearing housing end that is the same as alot of the earlier 9" pickup and car housings. You will need the big bearing backing plates with 1/2" holes in them. You can use either 10" or 11" backing plates and drums. I have found it easier to use 10" pieces. The brake offset of the big bearing brakes is 2 3/8", the Versailles uses a 2 7/16" brake offset, so there will be no interference with the drum and the backing plate. You will first have to remove the bearing retainer/caliper bracket from the axle. The axle bearing will need to be removed to remove the caliper bracket. With that out of the way, you can use a common "horse shoe" bearing retainer from Dutchman, Moser or Currie. The backing plate will now bolt on to the housing. The only glitch is that the housing ends are rotated a few degrees from the straight up position that a regular drum brake housing uses, but I have never had a problem. The drums I have used are '72-'73 Torino drums, which will fit the center register on the Versailles axle.. The Torino backing plates will most likely not work because they have the 3/8" mounting holes with a different pattern.
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