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So I have run into a few issues with new parts.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Scrap Iron, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. Scrap Iron
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    I bought a complete front brake kit from Speedway. The first issue that I ran into was after I had the bearing adapters pressed onto the spindles (also bought from Speedway Motors). Well the inner bearing now wouldn’t fit the adapters. I called Speedway and was told “they stretch, so you have to remove a few thousandths to get the bearing to fit.” Ok fine after some emrycloth work the bearings fit. Now the second issue showed its ugly head. I installed the rotors that I also got from Speedway, and gave it a big spin. The rotor spins nice and true except for the bolt pattern. That’s right, the lugs are not centered???? So I break out the caliper and sure enough both of the rotors I received from Speedway are off. I am glad I found the rotor problem as I would have chased an out of balance feeling with perfectly balanced wheel and tires. So now what to do?
    I guess I am asking if anyone else has run into these issues, and if so what did you do about it?
     
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  2. yorgatron
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    is EVERYTHING made in China now? :confused:

    call Speedway and tell'em you want your money back,and let them know you're gonna tell all 50,000 people on the HAMB that they sold you junk parts.
     
  3. i had a real similar problem ,i also pressed the ring on by a friend who told me its totaly nuts to make the ring that small , he sayed regular a real tight ,not a regular , a tight press fitt is 2/100 mm. the one from speedway way 6/100mm. so we used the lathe :-(
     
  4. storm king
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    I've been quite a number of parts from Speedway lately. I would be very surprised if when you call customer service they did not take care of your problem to your satisfaction right away.
    Incicdently, that would have been the right thing to do before posting this issue for everyone else to feel they need to voice an opinion on. It's kind of like the guy who goes to a car repair shop and the car still has some issue after the work is done; so many people would rather trash talk the mechanic and say they'd never go back there again, rather than take it back and give the mechanic a chance to make it right, or explain why the problem is still there. Not saying that's what you've done, clearly you didn't raise it to that level. But just talk to their customer service again, I
    have yet to be dissappointed by Speedway.
    I did have a problem with a set of Wilwood brakes I bought from them. Somehow some incorrect hardware was included which made installation impossible. They had me call Wilwood directly, and they were the one's who had a problem accepting they made an error, but they also still corrected it after some discussion.
     
  5. MyBootsOnFire
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    I just installed the front disc brake kit from Speedway with no problems. I don't know if it makes a difference but i didn't press the sleeve on, i heated it for a while and slid it on with little effort. I don't know if it makes a difference but i installed their brake kit on spindles i also got from them.
     
  6. HOT ROD DAVE
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    when i got my brake kit for mine i also heated the spacer, and cleaned it up with emeroy, but other than that they wer great to deal with as they answered all my questions and problems that arose.
     
  7. Halfdozen
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    I've run into this with Wilwood also, with an expensive front disc kit for MII spindles. They had pressed the wrong outer races into aluminum hubs, it took a couple phone calls and much convincing before they admitted their error and sent the right races. Nice parts, not impressed with the customer service at***ude.
     
  8. wbrw32
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    I buy a ton of stuff from Speedway..99.9% is dead on.no problems....I'm sure they will do whats right for you......
     
  9. jusjunk
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    My brake kit with the spacers from speedy bill worked just fine.. Them chink rotors all need to be checked for run out on the studs. i fought my 34 ford for 2 summers before i finally got smart and brought my indicator home from work and checked the run out.. 28 ****ing dollars later from a local parts house i had a new car!
    Dave
     
  10. Scrap Iron
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    Well thanks for your input,:cool: but i did call them. I am not *****ing about them just the ****ty parts i received this time. So I am asking the HAMB to see if it is a common issue with these rotors. Speedway will continue to get my business, as they have for the past 15 years.

    After looking closer at the cast of the rotors they are way off. As you look at the disks front to back between the brake surface you can see the vented area wobble up and down. And looking at the back of the disk the hat area has the same wobble? How much of an out of balance issue will this cause? Speedway is willing to sen me new ones, but i wanted to see if this is common. if it is then i wont wast either mine,or Speedways time and money. I will try to upload a video incase i haven't been clear of the problem.
     
  11. at MyBootsOnFire you only do pressfit seats with hardened materials if you heat it up you make the metal soft again ,not a good idea, of what i heard
     
  12. Scrap Iron
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    OK here is the video, look at the vented area, and also the hat area inside.

    [​IMG]

    SO what do you think, will this cause an out of balance issue?:eek:
     
  13. Scrap Iron
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  14. MyBootsOnFire
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    When i heated the adapter sleeves i just followed the instructions provided. They include a little sheet that says, press on or heat to 400 degrees for 20 minutes.
     
  15. oh okay in this case fine so far ,i just can repeat what others told me because they have better knowledge than i
     
  16. scoggman
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    My "instruction" sheet said that I needed to replace the inner gm races withe the extra set they sent me. Did anyone else replace these?
     
  17. espo35
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    I think the first response to this thread hit the nail on the head: 10-1 odds the rotors came from China, stacked twenty high on a pallet...crossing two oceans.
    Of course they're warped.

    Of course, like anyone else, the buyer probably price-shopped a bit before purchasing. Knowing he would, Speedway did too. So, they bought the cheapest ones they could....from China. Speedway didn't MAKE the part...they aren't to blame.
    Hop-Sing is the one who screwed up, most likely. Of course, it's tough to blame him as he's working on 100 year-old equipment for 14 hours a day with nothing to look forward to except a handful of rice and a night smelling Mrs. Hop-Sing's rice-farts.

    Of course, there ARE some nice, true American-made rotors sitting in an American warehouse, somewhere. Union-workers made them, just before they got laid off in 2008. They're very over-priced, of course and will sit there until some fat, Chinese guy, probably Hop-Sing's boss, needs one for HIS hot-rod.

    Hope Obama solves all this.


    I hate rice.
     
  18. nocoastsaint
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    Since they are willing to correct the problem, I would let them. If you don't let them they won't be motivated to try and find a supplier that provides them with more consistent quality parts.

    Go China.

    But we've really caused this ourselves. When a rotor made here costs four hundred dollars and rotor made there can be had for a hundred and a half.

    The same thing with reman parts. When did it become cheaper to ship containers full of them to Taiwan to be rebuilt and then shipped back then to have them rebuilt here?
     
  19. espo35
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    It came from having meat in the freezer and cans in the cupboard. Our kids weren't hungry. It's real easy to wear a union pin and turn away the tight-***es when bellies are full.

    Some guy in Taiwan loves his kids just as much as I love mine. I would do anything to keep from hearing them cry themselves to sleep at night cause of hunger.

    So will he.
     
  20. Morrisman
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    When people shop around for the cheapest part, and a Chinese machine operator earns in a month what an American machinist earns in a day, then people will continue to buy from the car east.

    Speedway sells what the customer wants. If Summit sell it cheaper, people will buy from there. If the Chinese version is cheaper than the US version, most people will buy the Chinese one.
     
  21. joel
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    If there is no US version, where's the choice? Back to the thread, I did change the races as they recomended. It made a difference in where the rotor was located, but I think it was small. I would change them.
     
  22. nutajunka
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    Even if speedway send's you different rotors, what's the chances that they will be from the same batch or same quality that you already have? Sometimes you just have to do it yourself to know it's right.
     
  23. floydjer
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    Core shift. You`re welcome.
     
  24. big bad john
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    ...........Sound like China **** to me........
     
  25. DE SOTO
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    Yeah ...... Good Luck with your CHANGE !
     
  26. 40FORDPU
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    This is not a new revelation, nor is it unique to Speedway. We the consumer, are always looking for the "best deal". The suppliers have accomadated us by, searching out and finding the manufacturers who will produce for us, the least expensive items. Naturally, the labor is cheaper in foreign countries, therefore that is where it gets manufactured, keeping the cost as low as is possible. We, the consumer in the past, were used to paying for, and receiving quality parts (it was a given), but the distributors no longer have the ability to monitor/control the quality, of what is produced (in that price point). As far, as American made quality parts is concerned, the American manufacturers simply can't compete with the off-shore pricing of the perceived same items, and therefore they eventually go out of business, or suc***b to merely being a distributor of off shore ****. I, as well as, I would guess the majority of people on here, would pay more for the premium quality parts, if we could. It started with compe***ive pricing, and has ended up with the demise of our American manufacturers. Buy American, whenever possible, save our jobs, and the American way. If this has "come off" as too political, I apologize, and please remove it.
     
  27. bshepherd
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    after working in a parts store for a while, i realized that i never saw a rotor made in the us. They where either made in china or india. For that matter even mogue(sp) parts are not made in the us for the most part they are made in europe. sorry for hijacking
     
  28. so you may have to get some older usa parts or redrill your parts
    looks like we will need more skilled machinests to build cars, not just parts bolter onners

    i started stock car racing 30 plus years ago and bought a lot of parts and built a few cars AND THE FIRST THING I LEARNED IS THAT THE SUPER TRICK PART DOES NOT BOLT ON AND FIT:cool:
    it takes machine work, welding, fabricating and a ton of m***aging and a little engineering to make it work up to warp speed
    so some of you guys are going to need lathes, mills and maching skills and maybee even a good DC welder to weld some stuff together
     
  29. spooler41
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    Floydjer, got it right. Looks like a case of "core shift" during casting.You can see the vent ribs moving up and down while it's rotating. That piece should have gotten past the machining stage , with out rejection.

    Jack
     
  30. 5window
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    I agree with 40FORDPU and there's no way this can't get political. We're just at the natural progression of the consumer wanting am inexpensive product and the manufacturer trying to make it as cheaply as possible to maximize profit.

    American manufacturers never had a lock on quality. We bought stuff from here because we made it here-transportation and communications had not progressed to a global economy yet. Very few manufacturers every told their workers to make it right and damn the cost. If they did, they were high end, upscale,low volume businesses. The Industrial Revolution was always about making it faster,standardize the parts, get more production from a worker per hour, redesigning a part to work better but with less cost to produce. And, we produced a lot of **** over the years, lots of it made by loyal union and company men.

    Sadly, it has all changed so that there is no accountability anymore. We e-mail rather than talk face to face. We blame a problem on someone else,someplace else. A man's handshake isn't a bond anymore, you'll probably just get avain flu or something. And it isn't Obama's fault, or Bush's fault-it's mankind's fault-yours and mine. I don't have an answer-just try to live up to my word and do each days work as best as I can.
     
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