Now that we all going nuts over nhra allowing 55 and up cars in stock were do you gurus think is combo might fit (if allowed in) I have a 1956 pontiac safari with a daul quad 316 cu in 285 hp motor and a 3 speed. With a shipping weight of 3762 lbs
X-Tech, Correct on the 68' Camaro 396/325 HP Coupe for SS/E. Only difference between the 396/350 HP and 396/325 HP was the camshaft. So for Super/Stock, as you stated there was no difference. But for stock class, the 68' SS Camaro coupe 396/350 HP was in C/S. pc
Look at the hole in the block... pretty rare to window a super stock motor. thanks for the pic Bob Larry
If nothing has changed such as a revised shipping wt. or a refactor on the factory HP the car falls at 13.2 which is K/S as its natural class. Divide the shipping wts supplied to NHRA (NOT the AMA wts. in most books) by the HP rating to get the class break. This means the car could run J, K, or L (your choice) depending on the wt. you wanted to remove or carry for the class desired. As a K classed car you need to weigh 3875 lbs which includes the driver wt. of 170 lbs NHRA and IHRA allows for a driver. This class would require a rool bar. N/S on down does not need a roll bar as of 2010 rules. Havent heard if NHRA will require a roll bar for the lower class cars for 2011. I still have the 56 Pontiac engine specs. if you would like to have them. Terry
Terry, Thanks for the info. Yes I would like anything you could give me so I see see if it would make any sense. Back in 56 pontiac used the buick trans for gear shift cars or the olds hydo for the automatics. You can e-mail direct at bayboar1@verizon.net Gene
Nicanor, If you found a photo of a 1968 Cutlass in K/SA (from a 1968 race) than it had to be a 350/250 HP 2-barrel car. Any idea of what region it was from? pc
71 Winternats-I was there with Ray Paquet running his '67 Fairlane in C/S. The Fairlane in the pic was an original '66 R car converted to '67 grille/tailights running in SS/C. I believe it was owned by Robert Lewellyn from I think northern California. I remember talking to him in the staging lanes and he said they had used up about all the cash they had to get there. I saw the run from behind and he was at the big end and it just started to fishtail-thought he had too little air in the slicks as we all were trying to find traction. I later found out he had broken a wheel. I was just sick for him. Lee
Matt, Here goes, Dick Arons 67' Camaro SS396/325 HP SS/EA car won it's class at the 1967 Super/Stock Magazine Nationals, and was Runner-Up at the 1967 Nationals. That car was the maroon coupe. Wally Booth 68' Camaro SS396/350 HP (or 325 HP) was Runner-Up at the 68' Nationals in Super/Stock Eliminator. That car was the #2 qualifier in SS/E, as Al Joniec won the SS/E class. That Camaro also won the SS/E class at the 68' Super/Stock Magazine Nationals. The emerald green coupe was originally purchased from Trumble Chevrolet in Detroit, Michigan. Records state, that the car was an original 396/375 HP L-78, with an M-22 transmission and 4.88 gears. Of course the engine was switched out to a 396 oval-port plant. After the 68' Nationals (the SS/E record was dropped from 11.64 to 11.44 by Wally), they pulled the engine and drive-train, and dropped into a canary-yellow 67' Camaro convertible. That convertible ran in SS/F at the World Finals, and made it all the way to the Semi-Finals. PC
Didn't John sell the Corvette to Charlie Graff, before it ended up in the Linke Bros. stable? Charlie Graff was teamed up with Mark Osterbye, if I remember correctly in the late 70's. Mark ran a SS/IA '68 Camaro.
Doesn't the roll bar become required when the car runs quicker than 11.50 (used to be quicker tha 12.00)? Or is that just for the E.T. classes? I did see a '66 Biscayne in P/SA with no back seat and a 6 point bar at Indy this year. I guess it is optional after M/SA?
if you have full interior below n/s n/sa roll bar is not required btw tony good luck this weekend at pomona and chuck did you retire i see stephanie wong is driving your car now also if you can scare up a pic of jerry mc clanahans old wagon it would be greatly appreciated john nickle # 7928
Colesy, Glad to add what little info I remember. I also didn't see Pete Robinson's accident but was shocked and saddened like everyone there when we heard the news. Lee
Hu,,,,give me a little time and I will send you the info on the engine. My ComCast (computer, phone, TV) has been going in and out for a few days. Its on now but I dont know for how long.
Thats just for ET brackets. Stockers are required a roll bar down to and including M/S stick and automatic. Its not required in N/S on down but you can have one if desired and may remove the rear seat when using one.
Its on the way.....I just sent it a few min. ago on Friday around 3:15 PM. The info was all I had as its a very old tech bulletin dated 1968.
Jr.Stock Racer / Contributor / Poster, Tony Janes is racing his current '68 Chevelle K/SA @ Pomona this weekend... I believe this is a (Q-Jet) 250HP / 327 combination. Good Luck Tony!! Larry *won first round - then broke-out by -.011 second round. Good try Tony! (toby lang photo)
I think that if you are over 70 you should get an extra .10 on the tree. Good luck Tony.. Win one for the old folks.
Paul, By the middle of the 1967 season the NHRA record in SS/EA was 12.13 and was shared by Dick Arons and the Shaker Engineering Camaro driven by John Blackstock. Both Arons and Blackstock qualified at the World Finals in Tulsa in 67 with Blackstock being fast qualifier in the 16 car Super Stock field. Herb Brinn
Here's the Final Qualifying Order... http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=219059&Filter=100#indextop and the ladder http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=219057&Filter=100#indextop Best of Luck Tony!! Larry **This thread should go way over 400 pages by morning. Lets try to keep it somewhat in topic if we can also.
The SS/EA index today is a 10.35 The SS/EA Record today is 9.04 So I've got a question for all of us that participate on this thread, that I hope will start some dialog.... In your opinion/s, What would you attribute to the vast improvemnets in ET and Speeds in this and the other Stk / SS classes since '67.... and why? GO! Larry
"RULE CHANGES" being number one ! Its not any one thing but several items such as better tires, torque converters, ported heads in S/S (and some say in stock....lol), roller cams in S/S, rear suspensions in S/S, any cam duration and over lap with any valve spring pressures in stock. It all goes back to the rule changes allowing more and more over the years. The 68 HEMI SS/AH Dart and 'Cuda's are prime examples of allowing "stuff" to get out of hand and making racing a car more expensive..
Liberalizing the rules would be a more accurate way to put it. As an example, 1988 was the year we finally gave up and allowed any duration and overlap on Stock Eliminator camshafts. When it was being discussed to allow any duration on cams, I tried to get them to only eliminate checking the overlap. That way lobe centers could be spread or closed up. With the acceptance of reground radial lift cams it was hard to keep the overlap correct. Racers and cam companies had been complaining that checking cam duration and overlap in teardown was too critical. That may have been true years before when using the old “masking tape on the balance” method but checking became more reliable when we began using the dual checking wheel that bolted on the front of the balancer.
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