History Photos taken before WW2 - history in black and white

Seems the mystery of the 'might be' Berliet is still not solved. Hopefully someonewill recognise the logo style of the B on the hubcaps someday. Edubya asked if the 60 hp six that Alco built as an American Berliet was chain drive - I don't know, the book doesn't say. It does quote the Alco 60hp six at 134" wheelbase which is somewhere near to what our mystery car is.

I think a belly pan was a standard fitting on many upmarket early cars but was often discarded early on as it impeded servicing. There was one turned up on aaca a few weeks ago and few knew what it was. I imagine very few genuine ones have survived.

Are there any surviving Alco sixes? The engine hood on our mystery car looks very long. I wonder how it compares with other long hooded cars.

I have added a couple of photos from my file that I took from somewhere else - maybe aaca? - of mystery cars with similar proportions to our mystery car. Not exactly the same but both with similar long hood and abbreviated toy tonneau body.

 

1901 Autocar runabout - I think - looks brand new.

 

Haven't worked out what this car is - from the coarse hood louvres I am guessing 1916-17 and not many cars of that time had external door handles. Maybe Chalmers or Jeffrey?? Interesting to check out the link to Margery's family vehicles. Her grandad did well to have a circa 1907-09 Stanley before 1900!

 

It would be interesting to be able to nail down the year and model of this Franklin - they did several models in this era. I see that for 1909 and 1910 they did a 28hp four on a 106" wb which looks about right for this car. The women of this time always look very smart with their hair up and in those flouncy white blouses but hardly practical for motoring - dust etc - and maybe not even for everyday living!

 

Browsing for Berliet pics led me here - LOTS of interesting stuff.. Some prewar.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...sg=AFQjCNGCzR4O0c9iEbhmB9Dvw7hCuqmgDg&cad=rja

Click on the 'plus d'images' link

Mart.

 

Any surviving Alco sixes?
How about this one.
http://www.klingbergautoshow.org/2010/04/the-1909-alco-6-black-beast-at-klingberg-in-june/
Can't actually post the picture because it is a modern one.
Also:
Alcos were built by the American Locomotive Company from 1909 to 1913 and were among the most expensive American cars of their day, costing in the $6000-$7000-plus range. Their engines were massive: 453 cubic inches for the four in 1911, 579 cubic inches for the six. It took one year and seven months to build a single motorcar, and six months alone to build the rear axle. It is no wonder then, that on August 22nd, 1913, the auto industry was horrified when The New York Times reported that the Alco was to be discontinued. The Alco plant was among the best equipped in America, their products were among the most respected in the nation, the American Locomotive Company had just revealed gross earnings for the fiscal year of $34 million but, unfortunately, none of the profit came from the automobile division. Alco’s management apparently had been unaware that while locomotives are bought, automobiles have to be sold. When the time was taken to total up and analyze the figures, they revealed that thus far 5000 Alcos in 54 different models had been built, and that the company had lost an average of $456 on each one of them. Almost immediately, American Locomotive announced its desire “to sever as completely and as soon as possible all connections with the automobile branch of the business.” Fortunately, a handful of Alco cars survive today as testimony to how a motorcar can be built too well for its own good.
http://www.sealcoveautomuseum.org/press.html


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I found out after checking in AQ that the American Berliet's produced were fours, the biggest being a 60 HP.

In 1908-09 The Alco six was chain drive and in 1910 went to shaft.

I know of only two chain drives.... A friend owns a big four American Berliet and the other being the Alco six cylinder racer.

I had a 1912 Alco 60 HP four and there are at least two more that I know of. There are at least four or five six cylinder shaft drive cars to survive. I have had some experience working on them and they are just incredibly well built automobiles.

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

 

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http://slapstick-comedy.com/Mabel/

 

http://www.mysticvoodoo.com/santa-claus.htm

 

http://luirig.altervista.org/naturaitaliana/viewpics.php?title=%5BSanta+Claus+and+Salvation+Army+musicians+entertaining+children

 

http://luirig.altervista.org/naturaitaliana/viewpics.php?title=[Shibe+Park,+Philadelphia+(baseball)]

 

http://www.allyquest.com/photos.cgi?set=2

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pinegar/Windler Pictures/index.html

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pinegar/Windler Pictures/index.html

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pinegar/Windler Pictures/index.html

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pinegar/Windler Pictures/index.html

 

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pinegar/Windler Pictures/index.html

 

http://www.heritage-images.com/Preview/PreviewPage.aspx?id=1230582

 

http://www.american-automobiles.com/images3/1920-Mitchell.jpg

 

http://www.chuckstoyland.com/national/racing/10 Mar HA National Atlanta Racing.jpg

http://www.chuckstoyland.com/national/racing/

 

http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2007/12/eric-s-blog/it-s-the-eve-of-st-nicholas-day.html

 

http://publicdomainclip-art.blogspot.com/2005/11/christmas-santa-claus-car.html

Happy Christmas to all HAMBers. Enjoy the day and stay safe.

 

That's no ordinary Santa Claus Car...

 

Santa Post

 

Santa Air

 

These are Washington DC women They're from the Harris and Ewing collection at http://www.loc.gov/pictures/ and available higher resolution.
Searching that collection for auto will bring most them up on the third page. There's names but no dates

The car looks like a 1907 Type D Runabout...

 

Peace on Earth, fellow HAMB brothers & sisters.
It has been a wonderfully enjoyable TWO years, thanks to finding
the HAMB. I wish you all well in the coming New Year! -- Jimi


Milwaukee, 1936

 

http://www.automania.be/files/Image/BUGATTI/57/59 Coupe Atalante sur 57 (1936).jpg

 

http://www.negri.it/touring/06.htm