"If you could Write the Classified Rules - What Would they be ?"

All I was sayin is
If the rules had more directions (like your specking to a newbee) there would be a chance you’d be answering fewer questions. May or may not help…..what the hell do I know.
I believe a lot of people don’t even know what a privet message is or realize what replying to a ad does. Just look at the weekly bttt question
I’m not saying
You should change the rules .... I think there good.

Example

How to reply to a classified ad
1. Click on ad posters screen name
2. A box will drop down w privet message option and email option.
3. Click one and say what you got to say and hit send.

If you dont!!! do the above and reply to the ad on the open forum three things happen.

1. Your reply moves the entire ad (unfairly) back to the top of the page (btt or ttt) in less than the allotted 3 days.
2. Angering the other ad posters (now) pushed down below it.
3. Angering the moderators that will delete your question … that you will now not get answered.

Could something like this (the how to part) be automatically tattooed to the top or bottom of every classified ad ?……for the people that don’t read the rules.
It would then be the first thing you see when you open a ad

 

Good just the way they are. Nothing wrong with simple rules.

 

Remove the "ratrod" ban. If some Dumbass describes his vehicle as a "ratrod" then I want to know he's a Dumbass before I get on the phone with his Dumb Ass.

 

make the classified section something you must join
before you join you must agree that you understand the rules
and that any infraction to the rules justifies banning from posting any future ads

 

if that's too harsh
make it first offense banned for a month
second offense banned for two months
third offense gone for good

 

don't really care what they say, But if you write rules then make the rules apply to everyone. all the time. If you are going to enforce them and delete an ad because it is outside the year cut off then delete ALL the ads that are beyond the year cut off.

 

I hope this makes sense to someone besides me.


1) Members who want to post an ad would draft that ad in their Manage Your Account area. Member would then copy that ad to the Classifieds.

2) Every ad would delete every 3 days. Mods would set up all ad posts Closed. This would end the BTT's. It would also keep the post count down for people who sell their stuff and don't delete old ads.

3) After 3 days the member could edit and re-post the ad if his stuff didn't sell. Remember it is drafted in his private account.

4) Set up the contact/reply as 296 V8 suggested.

I think it would also save the mods some police time.

Dan

 

The rules do apply to everyone. Simple fact is that we cannot check every ad, or every post, so we miss stuff from time to time.

As for the year cutoff, it's flexible because some body styles did not change in 65. It would be silly to deny a 65 Econoline when it is exactly the same as a 64.
If you see something that is later than 65, and not the same body style, report it.

 

Dan, we tried something similar, a user could post an ad and that user was the only one who could reply to the ad. It caused issues with the software at the time. Some of the things we do to some forums wind up applying to all forums. Each thing we modify that makes one forum different from another puts additional drag on the servers.

Anyway, it nearly killed the classifieds altogether. Views dropped dramatically.

I don't know why. Honestly, I hardly care about people posting in ads, except for when they dredge up an ad that is a year old and ask the same questions over and over. One of the things I want to do is auto close ads after X number of days. That's another hack. Maybe? I dunno. I haven't messed with the software side for quite a while.

 

I think the rules are fine - I just wish guys would READ them before they post.

You classified mods do a pretty good job IMHO.

 

Dont let people post $50,000 cars on this site.

 

Thanks Gator!

 

Well, Occasionally there is a car worth 50K.

What kills me though is when people post "32 Ford, 45,000. Email for pics"


Seriously? You're gonna try and pimp a car for 45K, on a FREE site, and not even take time to describe it or post pics?

Amazing.

 

x2 This goes back to the thread about a month ago about people's first post being one in classifieds or if the seller does post an intro it's hardly anything and their profile is limited, if even relevant at all. Simply put, the people who the rules are directed toward don't read them anyway. There will probably be stretches where it seems the rules aren't being followed or enforced (possibly an influx in classifieds posts due to the holidays as of late), but eventually it seems to clear itself up.

If anything, if you see a thread that should be closed for a sold item or isn't following the rules (most commonly the 3 day bump), PM the mods. As it was stated before, they can't catch all of the posts but they can at least take care of the offenders when notified.

 

I think that the rules are great. It's evolved with the site and adheres to the point of the hamb. I've bought and sold lots of parts. I have also had my dad buy a truck from out of state. I've never had a problem strictly because I use common sense when buying. Stick with known hambers, get their contact info, etc..

For the most part when I have need for something I check here first. I haven't had a problem.

 

I feel the Classified Rules are quite appropriate now. I have both purchased and sold a literal small mountain of items via this resource and feel that a large part of it's success is contained in its simplicity. I feel that having ads expire will really take a lot of the fun out of viewing the ads, we are all into old things and poking through old ads be it print or online is always a good time. I was at first very resistant when the ads where broken into catagories but this has long since proved of benefit, I can honestly say it's a RARE day since joining the HAMB that I haven't cruised the classifieds.

 

Just what I as thinking.........

Here is your chance to read them if they have not all ready...

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The rules for using this forum. Read before posting.
CARS for sale
Each item listed must include at least a body and a rolling frame. Cars and Trucks only. Motorcycles should be listed at www.jockeyjournal.com
THE CUTOFF IS 1964. Unless the vehicle shares the EXACT same body style. NO VW'S or Mustangs. There are plenty of other sites for them.

YOU MUST INCLUDE PRICES.
The price must be in the price category. If you are selling multiple items put “listed” in the price box. Just want to trade? List it in the Wanted section with TRADE in the title.
Every item for sale must be listed and every item listed must have a price. If you are parting out a car you must list the big items, with prices. You should request that interested parties Private Message (PM) or EMAIL you with other parts requests. If your Private Message’s or email is disabled your ad will be deleted.

YOUR AD MUST INCLUDE THE CITY AND STATE.
Yes, we realize that your profile may include it but it also may not. This is an attempt for us to cut down on spammers and protect YOU. We don’t want to have to check each ad to see if it’s in the profile so fill out the little box and save us all some grief.

The “3 Day Bump Rule”
A seller may not “bump” their ad any sooner than three days since the last time THEY bumped it. Please respect your fellow HAMBers. This little rule was put into effect to keep people from bringing their ad back to the top (BTTT) in a manner detrimental to other ads. Should a seller think of something to add before the 3 days is up they may do so by editing their previous post. Vague ads may be closed or deleted at our discretion.

No EBAY, CRAIGSLIST, or links to other general listing sites.
When you list something on the HAMB you are accepting FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the transaction, just as if you were selling it yourself. If the listing is for a friend you better make damn sure they’re a good one. Links to other web-sites full of off topic or questionable material may be removed at our discretion. If that’s all the ad contains it will be removed all together.

YOUR AD MUST BE IN THE CORRECT CATEGORY.
Mis-categorized items may be moved or deleted at our discretion and convenience.

Constructive replies only.This is NOT the discussion forum.
Replies will be limited to questions and answers regarding the confirmation of a sale. Questions asked of the seller should be answered by the seller only. The "Nice setup" "Wish I were Closer" "Wish I had the money" remarks don't help and send the other ads down the list. Think a price is too high? Send the poster a PM. Remarks about pricing are pointless and they keep the ad floating at the top. If the price is high the seller should get the idea when no one replies. These types of replies will be deleted.

DO NOT POST PICTURE REQUESTS - This is what the Private Message system is for.

DO NOT POST TRADE PROPOSALS OR OFFERS. This is what the Private Message system is for.

DO NOT INQUIRE ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE NOT LISTED.
If a seller is parting out a car and you don't see a part listed that you might need then SEND A PM.

DO NOT POST "PM SENT" OR "EMAIL SENT". Some people do this whether they want the item or not. This hurts the other ads. If you want the thing feel free to post so. If you have questions about the item and the answer would be of interest to others, post it. If you want to send a PM for whatever reason then do it. Do not do both.

Also - We have a commercial section called the HAMB O DEX for business to advertise their products- dealership. Contact FLAT Top BOB before posting in the HAMB O DEX- there are requirements. Commercial car dealers seem to want to post all their inventory in the classifieds and crowd the individual guys out, so we watch for that.

"Smart Assing", "Ball Busting", and straight up whining will not be tolerated. We'll delete it. If we delete it a lot, you'll be banned.

By posting here, you agree to allow us to edit your ad to fit the editorial focus of this site.

Feeling lippy? Want to take it out on a Moderator? Well DON'T. We all volunteer to do this and we won't take any lip. This place is free, the rules are the rules and you can either play by them or hit the pike. Send any of us a smart ass PM or make a smart ass post and you're gone.

 

I agree on the 30 day or what ever automatic delete rule.

Would this rule be based on the original post or the most recent Bump?

Is there a chance of creating a way for the original poster to delete thier own add when the time comes?
Or is a pm to the mods the only ways to clear it up?

Cob, Rash and Rocky do a great job. Viva La HAMB... Classifieds.

Jeff

 

No garbage, like this:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=541987

 

I like the rules and think they are fair, but I think the "dont post on adds" shouldnt be as strickt. I also dont want to see two pages of ,sweet car, on a classifieds add but some times some one post a question such as certain pics or measurments that other people are thinking the same question also but the original poster PM's them to refrain from posting on the add then every one else has to PM them also.

 

I replied to this thread but when i hit submit reply it all disappears? I got upset the other day because my thread was deleted because I didnt put prices. I'm a disabled veteran and I have a hard time seeing and typing. It took me an hour to list the stuff and I over reacted and said things I shouldnt have. Now I can hardly do anything on here that I love. Been a Hamber for 4 years 1st time in trouble and feel the "punishment" is rather steep. A simple msg telling to put prices because I forgot or at least some communication rather than conviction would have solved the problem. I made a mistake said things I shouldnt have and now I have my nose in the corner. How about a gimme with a promise you'll never have a problem with me again? I live for the hamb and I've had my head cut off.

Chris Tiller
Slowroller

 

Slowroller,

First, thank you for your service to this fine country and sorry about your disability.

However, we have NO way of knowing any of that when you post an ad and none of that makes the rules different for you than anyone else.

We tried the route of sending messages when people omitted required info in their ads. Most of the time we were ignored, in which case we had to go find the ad, if we even remembered it, and delete it.

Keep in mind we have three main Classified Moderators also. So, if one found an ad with no price and sent a message to the poster, there is no good way to let the other two know that we did. Then they might do the same.

That's a whole lot of double or triple work for us.

When we delete an ad and fill out the reason box, you get a message asking you to please read the rules. All Moderators can see this has happened as we still see the deleted posts, then we all know what is going on. It's not a power trip thing and it's probably not the best way in the world for things to be handled but it is the most efficient on our end.

We sort of expect that people would read the rules before posting. Just as one might be expected to learn the laws of a foreign country before visiting.

As for whatever trouble you are experiencing on the board. I looked at your profile and see that you have been given an infraction worth four points that expire January 7. I don't know what four points does around here, as I don't use the infraction system so haven't paid much attention to it.

I don't think this is the problem with your posts disappearing though. I think it is probably the issue described in posts number 1 and number 9 of this thread....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236733

Ryan is the only one who can remove an infraction. You may want to plead your case with him by sending him a private message.

 

Slowroller, The infractions have been reversed.

Happy HAMBing.

 

People should be required to have a certain number of posts else where on the site before they can offer an item for sale. This may help get rid of some of the dead beat sellers and folks coming here just to sell.

 

That was covered in an earlier, which since has been deleted thread since it went no where. The issue with that is you have people turning into the welcoming committee, posting on every intro that gets posted.

 

Like these two?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=440206

Lets see
Some clown googles 1934 Pontiac - comes on here - joins (oh goody we have a new member) - doesn’t read the rules - bumps a year old ad(he could have just called him) ….. From a 1 post guy that hasn’t even looked at the hamb in 5 months.

 

Several people list titles for sale and you might see 10 or more separate ads right in a row bumping a whole bunch of people. Maybe when you have a bunch of one type of item you should post it all in one ad?

 

Well, as someone who has only "used" the classifieds to buy, once. (Mostly due to lack of funds) I hesitated wieghing in on this, but...

I do like the auto expire after 30 or 60 days. (it seems to work for C.L.)

I wondered if, as in the classifieds, posts made in the intro forum would not count twords post count. This would creat less static if a minimum post count criteria were established. I realize there are still ways of getting around this, and changing this may not be realistic.

On another O/t forum, You have to meet two criteria to post to classifieds; (I'll be it a much smaller, and simpler to police.)

1) Minimum time registered on the board. 6 months maybe?

2)During which time you have to show a credible number of posts to the board.

Only after this, are you allowed to post to the clas'ds forum.

Maybe having a "break-in" period for fng's before they have permission to use the clas'ed, could be a start.

Maybe when a member meets the criteria and wants to participate, they could PM a mod with sort of a resume, or request, for permission to access the forum. Giving Mods the chance to do a quick review of thier posts and profile, to verify they aren't a flake. Only approved members can post. Replies via PM will not be affected.

All other attemts to post would be meet with a
"You do not have Permission to post to this forum" greeting.

Just a couple thoughts from someone who dosen't really understand the logistics of how complicated my ideas might be from a technical stand point.

Mods are doing a great job! Just a couple suggestions trying to cut down on thier workload.

 

The only thing I would change would be the BTT to ten days its gets kinda old seeing the same ad thats been on here for 2 years everytime you check the classifieds.Bout the only way to limit the ad only guys would be members only allowed to post to classifieds but that won"t work.As far as the don"t post on classified ads how dang hard is that to understand.Simple rules,don"t fix it if it ain"t broke.Ryan and the mods do a great job,just to bad they can"t click a button on a spammer and they turn to dust instantly !.